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Subject: Fake Games ('Anand' is Junior 8)

Author: Christian Kongsted.

Date: 09:51:22 09/25/03

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Just checked out the first game which convinced me that this is certainly not
Vishy playing. Check for instance the absolutely pointless move 26. Qh2,
followed by the equally futile 27. Qh4.

White shuffles his queen around on the kingside and achieves nothing. No doubt,
this is typical computer play. The style of play reminded my mostly of Junior,
so I checked some of the weird moves with Junior 8, and for some reason it comes
up with the same suggestions all of the time.

What a pity. I thought you were actually telling something interesting, and not
just trying to get attention.




On September 25, 2003 at 03:58:59, Derek Paquette wrote:

>I've had almost enough,
>my programs always always always always seem to lose in the end game vs Anand
>and I cannot stand it any longer, what the hell is the deal with that???!
>
>Here are 2 games with Hiarcs 9 that I played, today and yesterday, I cannot
>stand this, one game was with H9 book out of the box another game with my own
>book i made from custom databases
>
>Shredder,  Junior, Hiarcs 9...doesn't matter which damn program
>
>Computer is an Athlon 1700xp,   using 96 RAM..
>
>30 minute time control for each game
>
>[Event "Blitz:5'"]
>[Site "home"]
>[Date "2003.09.25"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "vish, DErek"]
>[Black "Hiarcs 9"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "D13"]
>[Annotator ",DErek"]
>[PlyCount "116"]
>[TimeControl "300"]
>
>{96MB, Hiarcs9_custom.ctg, HOME-311NYWSO8T} 1. d4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} d5 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} 2. c4 {[%emt 0:00:09]} c6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 3. Nf3 {
>[%emt 0:00:06]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 4. cxd5 {[%emt 0:00:07]} cxd5 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nc3 {[%emt 0:00:07]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 6. Bf4 {
>[%emt 0:00:08]} e6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 7. e3 {[%emt 0:00:08]} Be7 {[%emt 0:00:00]}
>8. Bd3 {[%emt 0:01:41]} Nh5 {[%eval 38,12] [%emt 0:00:00]} 9. Bg3 {
>[%emt 0:00:14]} Nxg3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 10. hxg3 {[%emt 0:00:24]} Bd7 {
>[%eval 36,11] [%emt 0:01:16]} 11. a3 {[%emt 0:00:48]} Bd6 {
>[%eval 35,10] [%emt 0:00:21]} 12. Rc1 {[%emt 0:00:49]} a6 {
>[%eval 34,10] [%emt 0:00:14]} 13. Rh4 {[%emt 0:00:56]} f5 {
>[%eval 14,10] [%emt 0:00:43]} 14. g4 {[%emt 0:00:14]} fxg4 {
>[%eval 19,10] [%emt 0:00:32]} 15. Rxg4 {[%emt 0:00:17]} g6 {
>[%eval 12,10] [%emt 0:00:25]} 16. Ng5 {[%emt 0:02:09]} Ne7 {
>[%eval -10,10] [%emt 0:00:53]} 17. f4 {[%emt 0:00:48]} Nf5 {
>[%eval -38,10] [%emt 0:00:44]} 18. Bxf5 {[%emt 0:00:14]} exf5 {
>[%eval -28,11] [%emt 0:00:53]} 19. Rg3 {[%emt 0:00:13]} Bc6 {
>[%eval -14,11] [%emt 0:01:12]} 20. Kf2 {[%emt 0:01:08]} Be7 {
>[%eval -26,10] [%emt 0:00:32]} 21. Qh1 {[%emt 0:00:54]} Bxg5 {
>[%eval -35,10] [%emt 0:00:39]} 22. Rxg5 {[%emt 0:00:45]} Kf7 {
>[%eval -30,12] [%emt 0:00:03]} 23. Qh6 {[%emt 0:00:49]} Qf8 {
>[%eval -36,12] [%emt 0:00:32]} 24. Qh3 {[%emt 0:00:25]} h6 {
>[%eval -48,12] [%emt 0:00:32]} 25. Rg3 {[%emt 0:00:13]} Rc8 {
>[%eval -37,12] [%emt 0:00:33]} 26. Qh2 {[%emt 0:00:57]} b5 {
>[%eval -51,11] [%emt 0:00:21]} 27. Qh4 {[%emt 0:00:47]} b4 {
>[%eval -91,12] [%emt 0:00:39]} 28. axb4 {[%emt 0:00:24]} Qxb4 {
>[%eval -77,12] [%emt 0:00:30]} 29. Rc2 {[%emt 0:00:10]} Ba4 {
>[%eval -77,11] [%emt 0:00:09]} 30. Rd2 {[%emt 0:00:51]} Bb3 {
>[%eval -82,12] [%emt 0:00:00]} 31. Rh3 {[%emt 0:00:43]} h5 {
>[%eval -82,11] [%emt 0:00:28]} 32. Rh1 {[%emt 0:00:16]} a5 {
>[%eval -87,11] [%emt 0:00:38]} 33. Rc1 {[%emt 0:01:45]} a4 {
>[%eval -75,11] [%emt 0:00:47]} 34. Qh1 {[%emt 0:00:33]} Rc7 {
>[%eval -102,10] [%emt 0:00:24]} 35. Ne4 {[%emt 0:00:57]} Re7 {
>[%eval -78,11] [%emt 0:00:22]} 36. Ng5+ {[%emt 0:00:29]} Kg7 {
>[%eval -93,13] [%emt 0:00:03]} 37. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:25]} Rhe8 {
>[%eval -84,12] [%emt 0:00:35]} 38. Qe1 {[%emt 0:00:27]} Rxe3 {
>[%eval -104,12] [%emt 0:00:30]} 39. Qxe3 {[%emt 0:00:37]} Rxe3 {
>[%eval -103,12] [%emt 0:00:29]} 40. Kxe3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Bc4 {
>[%eval -83,12] [%emt 0:00:25]} 41. Ra1 {[%emt 0:00:10]} Kf6 {
>[%eval -103,11] [%emt 0:00:27]} 42. Re1 {[%emt 0:00:12]} Bb5 {
>[%eval -81,12] [%emt 0:00:35]} 43. Kf2 {[%emt 0:00:36]} Qd6 {
>[%eval -74,13] [%emt 0:00:00]} 44. g3 {[%emt 0:00:41]} Qb4 {
>[%eval -66,12] [%emt 0:00:36]} 45. Kg2 {[%emt 0:00:12]} Bc4 {
>[%eval -63,12] [%emt 0:00:31]} 46. Re3 {[%emt 0:00:41]} Qa5 {
>[%eval -59,13] [%emt 0:00:00]} 47. Kh3 {[%emt 0:00:27]} Bf1+ {
>[%eval -59,11] [%emt 0:00:26]} 48. Kh4 {[%emt 0:00:37]} Bb5 {
>[%eval -48,12] [%emt 0:00:43]} 49. Rc2 {[%emt 0:00:30]} Qb6 {
>[%eval 0,12] [%emt 0:00:16]} 50. Rc5 {[%emt 0:00:21]} Bd7 {
>[%eval 19,11] [%emt 0:00:11]} 51. Ng5 {[%emt 0:00:28]} Qb7 {
>[%eval 53,13] [%emt 0:00:00]} 52. Re2 {[%emt 0:00:26]} Qa6 {
>[%eval 50,11] [%emt 0:00:07]} 53. Re5 {[%emt 0:00:16]} Qb7 {
>[%eval 52,11] [%emt 0:00:00]} 54. Rcxd5 {[%emt 0:00:27]} Qc6 {
>[%eval 24,12] [%emt 0:00:26]} 55. Nh7+ {[%emt 0:00:09]} Kf7 {
>[%eval 24,12] [%emt 0:00:01]} 56. Ra5 {[%emt 0:01:22]} Qh1+ {
>[%eval 178,11] [%emt 0:00:00]} 57. Kg5 {[%emt 0:00:11]} Qc6 {
>[%eval 185,11] [%emt 0:00:00]} 58. Ra7 {[%emt 0:00:23]} Qd6 {
>[%eval 661,13] [%emt 0:00:40]} 1-0
>
>
>
>[Event "Blitz:6'"]
>[Site "home"]
>[Date "2003.09.23"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Hiarcs 9"]
>[Black "Vish"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[ECO "A34"]
>[Annotator ",DErek"]
>[PlyCount "159"]
>[TimeControl "360"]
>
>{96MB, Hiarcs9_advanced.ctg, HOME-311NYWSO8T} 1. Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 {
>[%emt 0:00:12]} 2. c4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} c5 {[%emt 0:00:12]} 3. Nc3 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} e6 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 4. g3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:09]}
>5. Bg2 {[%emt 0:00:00]} d5 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 6. cxd5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nxd5 {
>[%emt 0:00:10]} 7. O-O {[%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 8. d3 {
>[%eval 5,11] [%emt 0:00:50]} Be7 {[%emt 0:00:47]} 9. Be3 {
>[%eval 3,11] [%emt 0:00:33]} Ng4 {[%emt 0:01:34]} 10. Bd2 {
>[%eval 9,11] [%emt 0:00:53]} O-O {[%emt 0:00:19]} 11. Qb3 {
>[%eval 8,11] [%emt 0:00:46]} Nd4 {[%emt 0:00:57]} 12. Nxd4 {
>[%eval 15,10] [%emt 0:00:27]} cxd4 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 13. Nb1 {
>[%eval 14,11] [%emt 0:00:40]} e5 {[%emt 0:00:55]} 14. h3 {
>[%eval -6,11] [%emt 0:01:27]} Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 15. Na3 {
>[%eval -8,11] [%emt 0:00:33]} Rb8 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 16. Nc4 {
>[%eval -22,11] [%emt 0:00:59]} Be6 {[%emt 0:01:05]} 17. Qb5 {
>[%eval -16,11] [%emt 0:00:01]} Nd7 {[%emt 0:00:22]} 18. Rfc1 {
>[%eval -15,10] [%emt 0:00:40]} Bg5 {[%emt 0:02:05]} 19. a4 {
>[%eval -20,10] [%emt 0:01:28]} Bxd2 {[%emt 0:00:59]} 20. Nxd2 {
>[%eval -17,12] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qg5 {[%emt 0:00:54]} 21. Nf3 {
>[%eval -4,10] [%emt 0:00:26]} Qd8 {[%emt 0:00:57]} 22. Nd2 {
>[%eval 0,11] [%emt 0:00:30]} Re8 {[%emt 0:01:14]} 23. Ne4 {
>[%eval -5,10] [%emt 0:00:34]} a6 {[%emt 0:01:08]} 24. Qb4 {
>[%eval -13,12] [%emt 0:00:00]} b6 {[%emt 0:01:09]} 25. Rab1 {
>[%eval -16,11] [%emt 0:00:01]} f5 {[%emt 0:00:50]} 26. Nd6 {
>[%eval -5,11] [%emt 0:00:29]} Rf8 {[%emt 0:00:24]} 27. Rc6 {
>[%eval -9,10] [%emt 0:00:23]} Kh8 {[%emt 0:00:46]} 28. Nc4 {
>[%eval -5,10] [%emt 0:00:41]} Rf6 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 29. Rc1 {
>[%eval 0,11] [%emt 0:00:22]} h6 {[%emt 0:00:48]} 30. f4 {
>[%eval 6,10] [%emt 0:00:46]} exf4 {[%emt 0:00:36]} 31. gxf4 {
>[%eval 15,11] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kh7 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 32. Nd2 {
>[%eval -24,11] [%emt 0:02:45]} Nc5 {[%emt 0:00:44]} 33. Nf3 {
>[%eval -8,11] [%emt 0:00:01]} Bd5 {[%emt 0:00:38]} 34. Rxf6 {
>[%eval 1,11] [%emt 0:00:36]} gxf6 {[%emt 0:00:12]} 35. Rf1 {
>[%eval 1,11] [%emt 0:00:09]} Bxf3 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 36. Bxf3 {
>[%eval 7,11] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qd6 {[%emt 0:00:29]} 37. Qc4 {
>[%eval 16,10] [%emt 0:00:16]} Rg8+ {[%emt 0:00:16]} 38. Kh1 {
>[%eval 26,11] [%emt 0:00:03]} a5 {[%emt 0:00:19]} 39. b3 {
>[%eval 6,11] [%emt 0:00:53]} Rg7 {[%emt 0:00:36]} 40. Bh5 {
>[%eval 0,11] [%emt 0:00:01]} Qe6 {[%emt 0:01:05]} 41. Qxe6 {
>[%eval 0,11] [%emt 0:00:10]} Nxe6 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 42. h4 {
>[%eval 0,13] [%emt 0:00:01]} Kh8 {[%emt 0:00:45]} 43. Kh2 {
>[%eval 0,13] [%emt 0:00:08]} Kh7 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 44. Kh3 {
>[%eval 0,14] [%emt 0:00:12]} Kh8 {[%emt 0:00:36]} 45. Rf3 {
>[%eval 0,16] [%emt 0:00:06]} Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:52]} 46. Rf1 {
>[%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:00:11]} Kf8 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 47. Kh2 {
>[%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kg8 {[%emt 0:00:17]} 48. Kh1 {
>[%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rg3 {[%emt 0:00:42]} 49. Kh2 {
>[%eval 0,13] [%emt 0:00:09]} Re3 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 50. Kg2 {
>[%eval -1,13] [%emt 0:00:10]} Kf8 {[%emt 0:00:34]} 51. Bf3 {
>[%eval -44,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nxf4+ {[%emt 0:00:12]} 52. Kf2 {
>[%eval -58,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ke7 {[%emt 0:00:20]} 53. b4 {
>[%eval -58,13] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ng6 {[%emt 0:00:29]} 54. Rb1 {
>[%eval -66,12] [%emt 0:00:01]} Nxh4 {[%emt 0:00:33]} 55. bxa5 {
>[%eval -45,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} bxa5 {[%emt 0:00:25]} 56. Rb7+ {
>[%eval -32,15] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kd8 {[%emt 0:00:18]} 57. Bc6 {
>[%eval -26,12] [%emt 0:00:09]} Re7 {[%emt 0:00:34]} 58. Rb5 {
>[%eval -14,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kc7 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 59. Rc5 {
>[%eval -8,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kd6 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 60. Rc4 {
>[%eval -9,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ng6 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 61. Bh1 {
>[%eval -3,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ne5 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 62. Rxd4+ {
>[%eval 0,11] [%emt 0:00:05]} Kc5 {[%emt 0:00:17]} 63. Rf4 {
>[%eval 13,13] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ng4+ {[%emt 0:00:14]} 64. Ke1 {
>[%eval 39,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} h5 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 65. Rxf5+ {
>[%eval 49,11] [%emt 0:00:12]} Re5 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 66. Rf4 {
>[%eval 45,12] [%emt 0:00:02]} Rg5 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 67. Bf3 {
>[%eval 63,12] [%emt 0:00:08]} Nh2 {[%emt 0:00:09]} 68. Rc4+ {
>[%eval 41,12] [%emt 0:00:22]} Kd6 {[%emt 0:00:09]} 69. Bb7 {
>[%eval 45,12] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rg1+ {[%emt 0:00:10]} 70. Kf2 {
>[%eval 50,12] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rg5 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 71. d4 {
>[%eval 77,10] [%emt 0:00:06]} Ng4+ {[%emt 0:00:16]} 72. Kf3 {
>[%eval 73,12] [%emt 0:00:12]} Rf5+ {[%emt 0:00:08]} 73. Kg3 {
>[%eval 74,13] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ne3 {[%emt 0:00:11]} 74. Rc6+ {
>[%eval 73,12] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kd7 {[%emt 0:00:09]} 75. Ra6 {
>[%eval 77,11] [%emt 0:00:07]} Ke7 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 76. Bf3 {
>[%eval 75,12] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rg5+ {[%emt 0:00:09]} 77. Kf4 {
>[%eval 78,13] [%emt 0:00:01]} Nd5+ {[%emt 0:00:10]} 78. Bxd5 {
>[%eval 81,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rxd5 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 79. Ra7+ {
>[%eval 82,14] [%emt 0:00:04]} Ke6 {[%emt 0:00:12]} 80. e3 {
>[%eval 84,15] [%emt 0:00:00]} 0-1



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