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Subject: Re: Who can see it?

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 17:37:11 10/04/03

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On October 04, 2003 at 20:17:49, Slater Wold wrote:

>Who can see this position is lost?
>
>[D]8/6NK/8/1Bk5/P5q1/8/8/8 w - - 0 107

I tried one of my "old school" engines, HIARCS 7.32, and it can see this
position is lost.  And quick too!

Hiarcs 7.32
8/6NK/8/1Bk5/P5q1/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32:

1.Kh7-g8
  -+  (-2.91)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Kh7-g8 Kc5-b6
  -+  (-3.06)   Depth: 3/7   00:00:00
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-e4
  -+  (-2.80)   Depth: 3/7   00:00:00
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Bb5-e8
  -+  (-2.76)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8
  -+  (-2.88)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Bb5-d7 Kc5-b4 3.Bd7-e8
  -+  (-2.86)   Depth: 5/11   00:00:00  4kN, tb=10
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e6+ 5.Kg8-f8
  -+  (-2.93)   Depth: 6/15   00:00:00  9kN, tb=25
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e7
  -+  (-3.11)   Depth: 7/17   00:00:00  17kN, tb=76
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Bb5-d7 Kc5-b6 3.Bd7-e8 Qg6-f6 4.Be8-b5 Qf6-g6 5.Kg8-f8
  -+  (-3.16)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:00  42kN, tb=190
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e7 5.Ne8-g7 Kb6-a5
6.Bb5-c6
  -+  (-3.30)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:00  159kN, tb=501
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e7 5.Ne8-g7 Kb6-a5
6.Ng7-e8 Qe7-g5+
  -+  (-3.31)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:00  336kN, tb=1048
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6
  -+  (-3.06)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:02  1120kN, tb=2591
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e7 5.Ne8-g7 Kb6-a5
6.Ng7-e8 Qe7-e6+ 7.Kg8-f8
  -+  (-3.05)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:02  1254kN, tb=3284
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-f5 5.Kg8-g7
  -+  (-3.05)   Depth: 12/30   00:00:05  2487kN, tb=6086
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6
  -+  (-3.30)   Depth: 13/30   00:00:07  2964kN, tb=7325
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6
  -+  (-3.30)   Depth: 13/30   00:00:11  5195kN, tb=9670
1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e7 5.Ne8-g7
  -+  (-3.30)   Depth: 14/30   00:01:26  36645kN, tb=49562

(,  04.10.2003)


But Crafty cannot see this loss, in several minutes.  Anyone want to take a
gander why?

White(1): setboard 8/6NK/8/1Bk5/P5q1/8/8/8 w - - 0 107
White(1): go
end-game phase
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 6:00 (6:00)
              depth   time  score   variation (1)
starting thread 1
                9     0.28  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Be8 Qb8 3. Ne6+ Kb4 4.
                                    Kf8 Qxe8+ <EGTB>
                9->   0.83  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Be8 Qb8 3. Ne6+ Kb4 4.
                                    Kf8 Qxe8+ <EGTB> (s=3)
               10     0.94  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Be8 Qb8 3. Ne6+ Kb4 4.
                                    Kf8 Qxe8+ <EGTB> (s=2)
               10->   1.20  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Be8 Qb8 3. Ne6+ Kb4 4.
                                    Kf8 Qxe8+ <EGTB> (s=3)
               11     2.77  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Be8 Qb8 3. Ne6+ Kb4 4.
                                    Kf8 Qxe8+ <EGTB> (s=2)
               11->   4.47  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Be8 Qb8 3. Ne6+ Kb4 4.
                                    Kf8 Qxe8+ <EGTB>
               12     5.75  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Be8 Qb8 3. Ne6+ Kb4 4.
                                    Kf8 Qxe8+ <EGTB>
               12->   6.70  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Be8 Qb8 3. Ne6+ Kb4 4.
                                    Kf8 Qxe8+ <EGTB>
               13     8.42  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Be8 Qb8 3. Ne6+ Kb4 4.
                                    Kf8 Qxe8+ <EGTB>
               13->   8.94  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Be8 Qb8 3. Ne6+ Kb4 4.
                                    Kf8 Qxe8+ <EGTB>
               14    20.95  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Nf5+ Ke5 4.
                                    Nh6 Kd5 5. Kg8 Qb1 6. Kh8 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               14->  22.91  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Nf5+ Ke5 4.
                                    Nh6 Kd5 5. Kg8 Qb1 6. Kh8 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               15    31.94  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Nf5+ Ke5 4.
                                    Nh6 Kd5 5. Kg8 Qb1 6. Kh8 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               15->  33.36  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Nf5+ Ke5 4.
                                    Nh6 Kd5 5. Kg8 Qb1 6. Kh8 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               16    44.81  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Nf5+ Ke5 4.
                                    Nh6 Kd5 5. Kg8 Qb1 6. Kh8 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               16->  47.13  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Nf5+ Ke5 4.
                                    Nh6 Kd5 5. Kg8 Qb1 6. Kh8 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               17     1:06  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Kg6 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               17->   1:08  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Kg6 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               18     1:43  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Kg6 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               18->   1:47  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Kg6 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               19     2:20  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Kg6 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               19->   2:24  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Kg6 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               20     3:08  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Kg6 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               20->   3:13  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Kg6 Qxb5 <EGTB>
               21     5:09     --   1. Kg8
               21     5:11  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Kg6 Qxb5 <HT>
               21->   5:25  -0.01   1. Kg8 Qb4 2. Kh7 Kd6 3. Kg6 Qxb5 <HT>
                                    (s=2)
              time=6:01  cpu=88%  mat=-2  n=120838724  fh=85%  nps=334k
              ext-> chk=12892803 cap=193 pp=46555 1rep=278428 mate=56935
              predicted=0  nodes=120838724  evals=40166877
              endgame tablebase-> probes done=802197  successful=799294
              SMP->  split=2319  stop=429  data=10/32  cpu=5:20  elap=6:01



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