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Subject: Re: Who can see it?

Author: John Merlino

Date: 17:46:58 10/04/03

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On October 04, 2003 at 20:37:11, Slater Wold wrote:

>On October 04, 2003 at 20:17:49, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>Who can see this position is lost?
>>
>>[D]8/6NK/8/1Bk5/P5q1/8/8/8 w - - 0 107
>
>I tried one of my "old school" engines, HIARCS 7.32, and it can see this
>position is lost.  And quick too!
>
>Hiarcs 7.32
>8/6NK/8/1Bk5/P5q1/8/8/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32:
>
>1.Kh7-g8
>  -+  (-2.91)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>1.Kh7-g8 Kc5-b6
>  -+  (-3.06)   Depth: 3/7   00:00:00
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-e4
>  -+  (-2.80)   Depth: 3/7   00:00:00
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Bb5-e8
>  -+  (-2.76)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8
>  -+  (-2.88)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Bb5-d7 Kc5-b4 3.Bd7-e8
>  -+  (-2.86)   Depth: 5/11   00:00:00  4kN, tb=10
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e6+ 5.Kg8-f8
>  -+  (-2.93)   Depth: 6/15   00:00:00  9kN, tb=25
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e7
>  -+  (-3.11)   Depth: 7/17   00:00:00  17kN, tb=76
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Bb5-d7 Kc5-b6 3.Bd7-e8 Qg6-f6 4.Be8-b5 Qf6-g6 5.Kg8-f8
>  -+  (-3.16)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:00  42kN, tb=190
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e7 5.Ne8-g7 Kb6-a5
>6.Bb5-c6
>  -+  (-3.30)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:00  159kN, tb=501
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e7 5.Ne8-g7 Kb6-a5
>6.Ng7-e8 Qe7-g5+
>  -+  (-3.31)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:00  336kN, tb=1048
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6
>  -+  (-3.06)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:02  1120kN, tb=2591
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e7 5.Ne8-g7 Kb6-a5
>6.Ng7-e8 Qe7-e6+ 7.Kg8-f8
>  -+  (-3.05)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:02  1254kN, tb=3284
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-f5 5.Kg8-g7
>  -+  (-3.05)   Depth: 12/30   00:00:05  2487kN, tb=6086
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6
>  -+  (-3.30)   Depth: 13/30   00:00:07  2964kN, tb=7325
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6
>  -+  (-3.30)   Depth: 13/30   00:00:11  5195kN, tb=9670
>1.Kh7-g8 Qg4-g6 2.Kg8-f8 Qg6-f6+ 3.Kf8-g8 Kc5-b6 4.Ng7-e8 Qf6-e7 5.Ne8-g7
>  -+  (-3.30)   Depth: 14/30   00:01:26  36645kN, tb=49562
>
>(,  04.10.2003)

I don't trust HIARCS' eval here, because it doesn't show that Black is able to
win the pawn. I think the eval is just a combination of material difference (2
points) and a bonus for the queen and perhaps for the White King being so far
away from the pawn.

jm



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