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Subject: Re: Simple position too difficult for me?

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 13:39:32 10/06/03

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On October 06, 2003 at 13:43:23, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On October 06, 2003 at 13:13:15, Leen Ammeraal wrote:
>
>>The testsuite mes400.epd contains the line
>>
>>[D]1k6/2p5/B7/4Np2/8/8/6p1/6Kb w - - bm Nc6+; id "MES.0372";
>>
>>indicating that only Nc6+ is the best move.
>>I don't understand this.
>>I suppose the result is a draw. Am I right?
>>If so, is Bd3 not just as good?
>>Or can Black win in that case? If so, how?
>
>Test suites are full of bugs.  However, Be2 only draws and Nc6+ definitely wins.
>
>White(1): epdpfga \mes372.epd mes372.out
>PFGA: EPD record: 1   ID: MES.0372
>end-game phase
>              clearing hash tables
>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 16:39 (16:39)
>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>               10->   0.68   0.01   1. Be2 Ka7 2. Bf3 f4 3. Bxg2 Bxg2 4.
>                                    Kxg2 <EGTB>
>               11     0.83   0.01   1. Be2 Ka7 2. Bf3 f4 3. Bxg2 Bxg2 4.
>                                    Kxg2 <EGTB>
>               11->   1.24   0.01   1. Be2 Ka7 2. Bf3 f4 3. Bxg2 Bxg2 4.
>                                    Kxg2 <EGTB>
>               12     1.67   0.01   1. Be2 Ka7 2. Bf3 f4 3. Bxg2 Bxg2 4.
>                                    Kxg2 <EGTB>
>               12->   3.35   0.01   1. Be2 Ka7 2. Bf3 f4 3. Bxg2 Bxg2 4.
>                                    Kxg2 <EGTB>
>               13     3.89   0.01   1. Be2 Ka7 2. Bf3 f4 3. Bxg2 Bxg2 4.
>                                    Kxg2 <EGTB>
>               13->   6.23   0.01   1. Be2 Ka7 2. Bf3 f4 3. Bxg2 Bxg2 4.
>                                    Kxg2 <EGTB>
>               14     7.83   0.01   1. Be2 Ka7 2. Bf3 f4 3. Bxg2 Bxg2 4.
>                                    Kxg2 <EGTB>
>               14    12.19     ++   1. Nc6+!!
>               14    12.70   5.82   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 Kb6 9. Kg3 c5 10. Kxf3
>               14->  16.38   5.82   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 Kb6 9. Kg3 c5 10. Kxf3
>               15    22.77   5.82   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 Kb6 9. Kg3 c5 10. Kxf3
>               15->  29.00   5.82   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 Kb6 9. Kg3 c5 10. Kxf3
>               16    43.60   6.20   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Bb5 Kb6 9. Ba4 Kc5 10.
>                                    Kg3 Kd5 11. Kxf3
>               16->  55.33   6.20   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Bb5 Kb6 9. Ba4 Kc5 10.
>                                    Kg3 Kd5 11. Kxf3
>               17     1:22   6.12   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 Kb6 9. Kg3 Kc5 10.
>                                    Kxf3 Kd5 11. Kf4
>               17->   1:40   6.12   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 Kb6 9. Kg3 Kc5 10.
>                                    Kxf3 Kd5 11. Kf4
>               18     2:18   6.37   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 f2 9. Kg2 c6 10. Bc4
>                                    Kb6 11. Kxf2 <HT>
>               18->   2:51   6.37   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 f2 9. Kg2 c6 10. Bc4
>                                    Kb6 11. Kxf2 <HT>
>               19     4:03   6.38   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Bb5 Kb6 9. Ba4 Kc5 10.
>                                    Kg3 Kc4 11. Kxf3 Kd3 12. Bb3
>               19->   5:02   6.38   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Bb5 Kb6 9. Ba4 Kc5 10.
>                                    Kg3 Kc4 11. Kxf3 Kd3 12. Bb3
>               20     5:03     ++   1. Nc6+!!
>               20     7:13  Mat38   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 Kb6 9. Kg3 Kc5 10.
>                                    Kxf3 <EGTB>
>               20->   9:10  Mat38   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 Kb6 9. Kg3 Kc5 10.
>                                    Kxf3 <EGTB>
>               21    13:15  Mat38   1. Nc6+ Ka8 2. Bc8 f4 3. Ba6 f3 4.
>                                    Kf2 g1=Q+ 5. Kxg1 Bg2 6. Kh2 Bf1 7.
>                                    Bxf1 Kb7 8. Ne5 Kb6 9. Kg3 Kc5 10.
>                                    Kxf3 <EGTB>
>              time=16:39  cpu=72%  mat=0  n=550887641  fh=99%  nps=551k
>              ext-> chk=19784863 cap=258178 pp=351752 1rep=207619 mate=173605
>              predicted=0  nodes=550887641  evals=89553948
>              endgame tablebase-> probes=228114  hits=228114

Nouvelle partie
1k6/2p5/B7/4Np2/8/8/6p1/6Kb w - - 0 1

Hiarcs 9 find a mate in 39 and not 38, strange
Analysis by Hiarcs 9:

1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7
  +-  (4.13)   Profondeur: 9/2   00:00:00
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
  +-  (4.16)   Profondeur: 10/24   00:00:00  440kN, tb=59
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Cd8+
Rc8 9.Cc6
  +-  (4.36)   Profondeur: 11/26   00:00:03  1701kN, tb=314
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Cd8+
Rc8 9.Cc6
  +-  (4.61)   Profondeur: 12/26   00:00:05  3277kN, tb=664
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5 c5
9.Cxf3
  +-  (5.52)   Profondeur: 12/27   00:00:07  4208kN, tb=1100
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5 c5
9.Cxf3
  +-  (5.77)   Profondeur: 13/28   00:00:11  6855kN, tb=2004
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
Rb6 9.Rg3 Rc5 10.Rxf3
  +-  (5.77)   Profondeur: 13/30   00:00:16  9138kN, tb=3347
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5 f2
9.Rg2 Rb6 10.Fd3 Rc5 11.Rxf2
  +-  (5.99)   Profondeur: 14/30   00:00:31  17862kN, tb=10661
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5 f2
9.Rg2 Rb6 10.Fd3 Rc5 11.Rxf2
  +-  (6.41)   Profondeur: 15/32   00:00:46  26771kN, tb=18924
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5 f2
9.Rg2 Rb6 10.Fd3 Rc5 11.Rxf2
  +-  (#40)   Profondeur: 15/32   00:00:46  26771kN, tb=18925
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
Rc8 9.Fa6+ Rd8 10.Cxf3
  +-  (#39)   Profondeur: 15/33   00:00:55  31604kN, tb=25614
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
Rc8 9.Fa6+ Rd8 10.Cxf3
  +-  (#39)   Profondeur: 16/33   00:01:09  40797kN, tb=38114
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
Rc8 9.Fa6+ Rd8 10.Cxf3
  +-  (#39)   Profondeur: 17/35   00:01:44  61566kN, tb=67556
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
Rc8 9.Fa6+ Rd8 10.Cxf3
  +-  (#39)   Profondeur: 18/36   00:02:57  104153kN, tb=149867
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
Rc8 9.Fa6+ Rd8 10.Cxf3
  +-  (#39)   Profondeur: 19/37   00:04:30  159282kN, tb=268968
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
Rc8 9.Fa6+ Rd8 10.Cxf3
  +-  (#39)   Profondeur: 20/40   00:06:39  237737kN, tb=442046
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
Rc8 9.Fa6+ Rd8 10.Cxf3
  +-  (#39)   Profondeur: 21/40   00:09:32  344285kN, tb=657449
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
Rc8 9.Fa6+ Rd8 10.Cxf3
  +-  (#39)   Profondeur: 22/41   00:13:32  493039kN, tb=926116
1.Cc6+ Ra8 2.Fc8 f4 3.Fa6 f3 4.Rf2 g1D+ 5.Rxg1 Fg2 6.Rh2 Ff1 7.Fxf1 Rb7 8.Ce5
Rc8 9.Fa6+ Rd8 10.Cxf3
  +-  (#39)   Profondeur: 23/43   00:19:09  706674kN, tb=1261111




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