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Subject: Re: Simple position too difficult for me?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 16:54:29 10/06/03

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On October 06, 2003 at 18:42:56, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 06, 2003 at 18:03:06, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On October 06, 2003 at 14:51:53, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>
>>>On October 06, 2003 at 14:25:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 06, 2003 at 13:13:15, Leen Ammeraal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The testsuite mes400.epd contains the line
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]1k6/2p5/B7/4Np2/8/8/6p1/6Kb w - - bm Nc6+; id "MES.0372";
>>>>>
>>>>>indicating that only Nc6+ is the best move.
>>>>>I don't understand this.
>>>>>I suppose the result is a draw. Am I right?
>>>>>If so, is Bd3 not just as good?
>>>>>Or can Black win in that case? If so, how?
>>>>>
>>>>>Leen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>After Nc6 where does black go?  And once he goes there, what
>>>>happens next?  think zugzwang and you'll see the answer.
>>>>
>>>>IE once the black king goes to a8, white doesn't move the bishop or
>>>>pawn.  Black can only push the f-pawn.  White king goes between g1
>>>>and f2.
>>>
>>>
>>>Wrong. 1.Nc6+ Ka8 2.Kf2? g1=Q+ 3.Kxg1 Bxc6. White cannot move Kf2 until Pf3 gets
>>>played.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Eventually black has to play g1=Q, white takes the queen
>>>>with the king and now black can only move the bishop between h1 and
>>>>g2, unless he chooses to give up the f-pawn also.  Once that happens,
>>>>it is a simple drawn KBN vs KBP and white can force the trade of the
>>>>pawn for a piece if he wants.  It ends up a draw.
>>>
>>>
>>>Wrong again. 1.Nc6 Ka8 2.Bc8 f4 3.Bh8 f3 4.Kf2 g1=Q+ 5.Kxg1 Bg2 6.Kh2 -+
>>
>>I believe that is a draw, assuming move 3 is Bh3 and not Bh8.
>>
>>Bxg2 seems good enough there.
>
>move 3 is Ba6
>
>The idea is to put black to a zugzwang so Bh3 that gives black the option Kb7
>does not make sense.
>
>3.Ba6 does not let the black king to move
>
>Uri


That's what I thought.  But with Bh8, I assumed that either h or 8 was
correct.  Which means Bh3 was a reasonable guess.  I didn't consider that
the both were wrong.  :)



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