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Subject: Re: unsubscribe

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 12:10:37 11/07/98

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On November 07, 1998 at 13:00:44, Reynolds Takata wrote:

>On November 07, 1998 at 03:59:27, Moritz Berger wrote:
>
>>please remove my name and password from this server.
>
>
>Good luck to you Moritz i know how you must feel, i have seen others who were
>unable to get the administrators here to protect them from slander and
>harrassment.

As the other person involved in the recent conflict with Moritz, I take
exception to this.

This is all about something I said somewhere else.  I didn't say it here because
I was responding to a post made in another place.  I feel that the content of
that post would have been acceptable under the CCC charter, which is an implicit
denial that the post contained either slander or harrassment.  But CCC is not
where the discussion was taking place, so I am resistent to the idea of moving
it here, and I had thought that attempts to move it here had been intercepted
and the thing had been moved off-line, at the request of Amir.

Moritz has brought it back on line for one final (maybe) go, via an often-used
rhetorical technique known as the dramatic exit.  He knows how to send email to
the moderators and he knows how to send mail to to Steven Schwartz, so if he had
simply wanted his account removed  he could have requested that this be done by
sending another email, rather than posting to the group.

That he posted this to the group indicates that he wanted the group to read it
and be affected by it.

I interpret this as another public volley in our argument, and a very unfair
one, since rather than discussing the issues involved, there is an implicit
attempt to destroy the whole framework of the discussion, and to cast blame on
the other party and make them suffer consequences for this.

Taking your ball and going home, as a result of an argument on the playfield, is
rarely about just suddenly getting the urge to go home.  It is done when your
arguments are not having the desired effect.  It is an attempt to change the
outcome of the argument by hurting the people who aren't involved directly in
the argument.  You make them suffer because you have taken your ball, in the
hopes that they will try to talk you into coming back, and/or to try to get them
to beat the hell out of the person who you were arguing with.

bruce



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