Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 12:29:29 11/07/98
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On November 07, 1998 at 15:10:37, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >On November 07, 1998 at 13:00:44, Reynolds Takata wrote: > >>On November 07, 1998 at 03:59:27, Moritz Berger wrote: >> >>>please remove my name and password from this server. >> >> >>Good luck to you Moritz i know how you must feel, i have seen others who were >>unable to get the administrators here to protect them from slander and >>harrassment. > >As the other person involved in the recent conflict with Moritz, I take >exception to this. > >This is all about something I said somewhere else. I didn't say it here because >I was responding to a post made in another place. I feel that the content of >that post would have been acceptable under the CCC charter, which is an implicit >denial that the post contained either slander or harrassment. But CCC is not >where the discussion was taking place, so I am resistent to the idea of moving >it here, and I had thought that attempts to move it here had been intercepted >and the thing had been moved off-line, at the request of Amir. > >Moritz has brought it back on line for one final (maybe) go, via an often-used >rhetorical technique known as the dramatic exit. He knows how to send email to >the moderators and he knows how to send mail to to Steven Schwartz, so if he had >simply wanted his account removed he could have requested that this be done by >sending another email, rather than posting to the group. This is bullshit. If I quit one day, I will say it here, in public, so every one will know I am not a member of CCC. I would do the same with any club. In fact, it's the only civilized way to go: let the others know if they can count on your presence. >That he posted this to the group indicates that he wanted the group to read it >and be affected by it. > >I interpret this as another public volley in our argument, and a very unfair >one, since rather than discussing the issues involved, there is an implicit >attempt to destroy the whole framework of the discussion, and to cast blame on >the other party and make them suffer consequences for this. > >Taking your ball and going home, as a result of an argument on the playfield, is >rarely about just suddenly getting the urge to go home. It is done when your >arguments are not having the desired effect. It is an attempt to change the >outcome of the argument by hurting the people who aren't involved directly in >the argument. You make them suffer because you have taken your ball, in the >hopes that they will try to talk you into coming back, and/or to try to get them >to beat the hell out of the person who you were arguing with. Your interpretation, gratuitous and malevolent. Better deal with facts. First fact: an attacking-moderator is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. Enrique >bruce
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