Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:52:43 10/08/03
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On October 08, 2003 at 08:08:18, martin fierz wrote: >On October 07, 2003 at 16:18:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 07, 2003 at 11:53:38, martin fierz wrote: >> >>> >>>>>that game, and studied it like no other. but he still studied less than any >>>>>average chess professional does chess today. >>>> >>>>I don't know that I buy that. I knew him for many years and he studied a >>>>_lot_. And he also played chess, as I have reported in the past, but he >>>>was maybe a 2000 player there. >>> >>>AFAIK he used to teach (i.e. had a normal job) and he was also very religious, >>>devoting more time to bible studies than to checkers - at least in his later >>>years. >>>a chess professional does nothing else but play+study chess. well, ok, at least >>>the serious ones do :-) >>>i don't see how tinsley could match that with his job and religious interest. >>>but you knew him, i only have hearsay - so how much did he really study >>>checkers? >>> >>>cheers >>> martin >> >>I really can't answer. I never asked. Most of our conversations were about >>either checkers (A student of mine modified Cray Blitz to play checkers and >>Marion played it a few games for fun while visiting Hattiesburg MS for a >>world checker championship match, this got him interested in the computer >>aspect) or about chess and the real Cray Blitz, which he considered a real >>nemesis on the chess board. >> >>Obviously checker openings are way simpler than chess, so it was easy for him >>to wow me with announcements on the second or third move as "this is lost for >>the computer" or "this is a draw" (we had no checker opening book at all at >>the time.) > >i'm not sure i would call them simpler. i would rather call them more tricky, if >anything. many natural moves lose instantly, as early as move 2 or 3 as you >mention. but they're the natural move in that position. it takes deep analysis >to prove they lose, and good play to win. of course, playing against tinsley, >you got just that :-) >in chess this simply doesn't happen this early, except for ridiculous moves like >1...f5 and 2...Kf7 or so. so i would call checkers openings "way more forcing". I do not know and maybe an opening like 1.e4 e6 is winning for white but nobody can prove it even with deep analysis because it is more complex. Note that I believe that it is not the case and I guess that the theretical result of GM games in the first 3 moves is usually a draw but I have no way to prove it. Uri
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