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Subject: Re: beyond 3000+

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:11:21 10/08/03

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On October 08, 2003 at 08:08:18, martin fierz wrote:

>On October 07, 2003 at 16:18:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On October 07, 2003 at 11:53:38, martin fierz wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>>that game, and studied it like no other. but he still studied less than any
>>>>>average chess professional does chess today.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know that I buy that.  I knew him for many years and he studied a
>>>>_lot_.  And he also played chess, as I have reported in the past, but he
>>>>was maybe a 2000 player there.
>>>
>>>AFAIK he used to teach (i.e. had a normal job) and he was also very religious,
>>>devoting more time to bible studies than to checkers - at least in his later
>>>years.
>>>a chess professional does nothing else but play+study chess. well, ok, at least
>>>the serious ones do :-)
>>>i don't see how tinsley could match that with his job and religious interest.
>>>but you knew him, i only have hearsay - so how much did he really study
>>>checkers?
>>>
>>>cheers
>>>  martin
>>
>>I really can't answer.  I never asked.  Most of our conversations were about
>>either checkers (A student of mine modified Cray Blitz to play checkers and
>>Marion played it a few games for fun while visiting Hattiesburg MS for a
>>world checker championship match, this got him interested in the computer
>>aspect) or about chess and the real Cray Blitz, which he considered a real
>>nemesis on the chess board.
>>
>>Obviously checker openings are way simpler than chess, so it was easy for him
>>to wow me with announcements on the second or third move as "this is lost for
>>the computer" or "this is a draw" (we had no checker opening book at all at
>>the time.)
>
>i'm not sure i would call them simpler. i would rather call them more tricky, if
>anything. many natural moves lose instantly, as early as move 2 or 3 as you
>mention. but they're the natural move in that position. it takes deep analysis
>to prove they lose, and good play to win. of course, playing against tinsley,
>you got just that :-)
>in chess this simply doesn't happen this early, except for ridiculous moves like
>1...f5 and 2...Kf7 or so. so i would call checkers openings "way more forcing".
>
>>He did talk about match prep from time to time and about how much time he spent
>>going over old games.  How that compares to a modern chess GM I have no idea
>>at all.  And, unfortunately, it is a bit too late to ask him.  :(
>so, what did he say then? a modern chess GM probably has a 30-40-hour week for
>chess, i would guess. i'll go and ask the GMs i know next time i meet them!
>
>cheers
>  martin


For match prep he spent weeks/months at a time going over games, honing
his tactics, etc.  I don't know how that all factored in with his teaching,
although in later years I don't think he did much teaching at all...




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