Author: Mark Young
Date: 15:55:01 11/07/98
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On November 07, 1998 at 17:20:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 07, 1998 at 17:07:53, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On November 07, 1998 at 16:51:13, Albert Silver wrote: >>>Look everyone. >>> >>>I have stated again and again my stupefaction at the idea of abandoning this >>>place. It has taken time and effort to get it together and receive a decent body >>>of contributors. Most seem to be extremely upset at Bruce Moreland's presence as >>>a moderator. As I recall it, he was appointed by means of a vote. Which means >>>that he didn't inherit his post, nor is he there by divine right. >>>Unsatisfied? >>>Then put his presence as a moderator to another vote! >>>If there are other issues, then vote! >>>But just picking up your things and leaving means that you think that there is >>>nothing worth saving, and if that is truly the case then I would feel deeply >>>saddened. >>>Though I have not been directly effected by Bruce, I will indeed vote against >>>him to preserve the peace and integrity of the group. >>>Such being said, I vote that Bruce be removed from his duties as a moderator. >>I agree, on the one hand, that Bruce is very controversial. Perhaps this is out >>of place for a moderator. Yet has he lost his voice because he volunteered for >>the arduous task of moderation? I think the truth probably lies between the >>versions produced by each of the parties in question. But, in my view, each is >>entitled. I value Bruce Morland's opinions. And Moritz Berger's. And many >>others intwined in this controversy. I also value Chris Whittington's >>statements in r.g.c.c. despite the fact that he deliberately tries to be >>controversial. I value anyone's opinion that I think can teach me something, >>and even the opinion of those that can't (if there are any). >> >>I don't think anyone has all of the information as to some of the old >>controversies. I have private email conversations with some of the parties and >>believe that all are sincere in their beliefs. Why can't we just forget the >>past? If there were any wrongs, we can try to right them. But hashing over the >>old mistakes just opens wounds that have only started to heal. It does not >>produce value. IMO-YMMV. > > > >I think this entire thing is being blown way out of proportion. I saw the >original post by Moritz. I saw Bruce's response (both on r.g.c.c). *I* >reserve the right to call something "bullshit" if I so choose. And if the >folks in CCC don't like that they can simply ask and I'll stick in r.g.c.c >where I've been sticking for *many* years... > >But to start all this "bullshit" here about you can't express your opinion in >r.g.c.c if you are a moderator (or a member) here is just total baloney. I >don't mind arguing with someone about whether DB is better or worse than a >micro program. And if they say my opinion is "bullshit" I don't plan on getting >bent out of shape nor asking moderators to kick the guy out. > >The question is, do we want CCC to be a nursery-schoold where many act like >babies and say "he hit me... he did not... he called me a ___... no I didn't" >or do we want this to be a place where grown men (and women) can discuss >computer chess without a bunch of nonsense. If someone wants to leave, they >have that right. CCC is bigger than *any* *one* *person*. If someone wants to >get on a soapbox and announce their leaving, I suppose that is ok too, although >it seems "pointless" to me... If someone gets to the point where they don't >want to post here then it seems odd to post a vitrolic "I'm gone, bye." (Not >talking about Dirk here as you can tell...) > >CCC will survive all of us I hope. But it seems time to stop the "he said >she said" stuff and get back to computer chess. I've seen nothing that I think >was inappropriate by any of the current moderators nor the last group of >moderators. It's easy to say that sometimes they wait too long, but having >been there, I'd rather see something done too slowly than too quickly. > >If you don't like the current moderators, a discussion to replace them is >perfectly ok. Personally, I would vote for each of them again, assuming they >were willing to be chosen again. But keep treating moderators as they are >currently being treated and *nobody* will be willing to serve... and we know >what happens there... > >Just my $.02... but to suggest that Bruce is an "attacking moderator" is just >plain silly... I haven't seen the post. And what goes on outside of CCC >doesn't concern me at all in CCC... I must agree with this post. I don't agree with the moderators or Bruce all the time, but they all have my support. I vote for no chance. I don't understand why the members that are pissed off, post on CCC to delete their account??? If I was that pissed off, I would just leave, and would stop posting. No fan fair, just quit. Now if some of the members cool down and change their minds, they may not return because the made to big a deal in leaving. I hope this will not be the case, if they change their minds.
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