Author: Djordje Vidanovic
Date: 11:36:58 10/13/03
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On October 13, 2003 at 14:26:23, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>On October 13, 2003 at 14:08:51, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On October 13, 2003 at 08:31:04, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>
>>>On October 13, 2003 at 08:16:20, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>while preparing the opening book for Ruffian I decided to use a very good
>>>>positional program for Ruffe's sparring partner. I decided on Diep due to its
>>>>impressive positional play. Diep also has an interesting and unorthodox opening
>>>>book with lots of lines that are worth analysing. No small wonder, the book's
>>>>creator is a super strong Fide Master, the author of Diep: Vincent Diepeveen.
>>>>
>>>>Be it as it may, I matched Ruffian with only a skeleton of the book to be
>>>>(meagre 1538 positions for starters) and pitted the positional monster against
>>>>the fast searcher. The result was a little disappointing and I must say that I
>>>>did not learn much from the match. Of course, bear in mind that these were only
>>>>G/5 games, but still...
>>>>
>>>>Diep had its own rather well researched book, with many home cooked tricks and
>>>>traps, while Ruffian was equipped with a wee book that is to grow yet. Diep had
>>>>the advantage of a Barton 2800+ while Ruffian played on my old NetVista PIII-933
>>>>computer.
>>>>
>>>>End result: Ruffian 86%, Diep 14%, or 48-8!! My question is: could the
>>>>reigning leader of the SSDF beat Diep more convincingly than Ruffian?
>>>
>>>Two things come to mind:
>>>
>>>1. I didn't look at all the games, but it looks like Diep opened every game 1.
>>>Nh3??
>>>
>>>2. Diep is more designed for longer time controls. I remember Vincent
>>>complaining last CCT about how 60 10 was too short ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>TMUEAGAB (The Most Used Excuse After Getting A Beating, tm)
>>
>>I do not know if the setup of this match is correct and if Diep is really so
>>weak, but I know that asking for longer time controls is just a way to spread
>>fog.
>>
>>If a chess program really needs longer time controls to start playing decently,
>>then there is something inherently wrong in its design.
>>
>>In other words, it sucks.
>>
>>I'm not saying that Diep sucks. Maybe the match setup was not fair for it.
>>
>>I'm saying that if a program gets such a beating at blitz it does not smell good
>>anyway for a longer time controls match.
>>
>>That's incredible. I hear the same excuse ("it will perform better at longer
>>time controls") since the days of the 386. Now that our computers are several
>>hundred times faster, the same excuse is still used. It does not make any sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> Christophe
>
>I think it is definitely possible to tune a program for longer time controls:
>fewer extensions and a larger eval. OTOH, I don't think we're talking hundreds
>of elo points. Maybe 50. (relative performace at short and long time controls)
>
>anthony
I even went so far so as to concede 100 points, if you remember. The blitz
margin was 300+ and I agreed to a possible 200 point margin at longer controls.
Generous, huh.
Djordje
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