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Subject: Re: computer with no book perform much better than with book?

Author: Peter Fendrich

Date: 07:00:36 10/15/03

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On October 14, 2003 at 10:08:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 14, 2003 at 08:00:48, emerson tan wrote:
>
>>
>>I played a 24 game match between chessmaster9000 default and chessmater9000
>>without book with time control of 40 moves in 2 hours and the result was 13.5 to
>>10.5 in favor of cm without book. 8 wins for without book and 5 wins for the
>>default and 11 draws between them.
>>
>>Its seems that the one with no book "understands" the position better than the
>>one without the book because it calculates from move one therby can follow the
>>progress of the position from move one, the computer decides how the position
>>progress and it arives in a position that the computer likes and knows how to
>>play it. unlike the one with book,it may not know well how to play the position
>>after it is out of the opening. that's just my wild way of explaining it, but
>>seriously, why did the one without book beat the default one? I was expecting
>>the default one to beat the one without books because you can see that from the
>>earlt part of the game, the one with book was usually way ahead of of time,
>>leaving it much more time to calculate complications in later part of the game.
>
>
>Something has to be wrong.  In a 40/2 game, most openings should go for 10
>moves.  That gives one program an extra 30 minutes on the clock since book
>moves are played instantly.  That extra 30 minutes is significant.  Add to
>that the fact that several openings have deep traps that can't be seen by a
>normal search, and the gap should widen farther.

I suppose that you mean 10 moves for one side, 20 plies.
Depending on the book used, the program without book will leave theory before 10
moves I think. Openings like 1.Nf3 will leave the book quite early.
I haven't tested it though.

Some of the lines will end up in traps, cramped positions etc for the one w/o
book. But I think that a lot of games are needed to really catch the difference.
Another thing is whether learning is used or not in the match.

/Peter



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