Author: Eelco de Groot
Date: 07:02:14 10/15/03
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On October 14, 2003 at 22:58:46, Richard Harrison wrote: >Chessmaster 9000 vs. Shredder 7.04 > >Two identical 1.73GHz/1GB RAM workstations >Moves manually input > > Date "2003.10.13" > > White "Chessmaster 9000 SS=12" > Black "Shredder 7.04" > TimeControl "40/120" > Result "1-0" > ECO "E71 Kings Indian" > >1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.h3 O-O 6.Bg5 c6 7.Nf3 Nbd7 8.Qd2 e5 >9.dxe5 Nxe5 10.Be2 Qa5 11.Nd4 Qc5 12.b3 Ned7 13.Be3 Qe5 14.Bf4 Qe7 >15.O-O-O Re8 16.f3 Nh5 17.Bh2 Qh4 18.Bxd6 Ng3 19.Rhe1 Bh6 20.f4 Qf6 >21.Nc2 Ne5 > >[D]r1b1r1k1/pp3p1p/2pB1qpb/4n3/2P1PP2/1PN3nP/P1NQB1P1/2KRR3 w - - 0 22 > >What do other programs play for move 22? > >Game continued with: > >22.Rf1! Nxf1 23.Rxf1 Qh4 24.g4 Rd8 25.c5 Nd7 26.Qe3 Bg7 27.e5 >Re8 28.Bc4 b6 29.cxb6 axb6 30.a4 Nf8 31.Nb4 Be6 32.Nxc6 Bxc4 33.bxc4 Ne6 >34.Kb2 Rac8 35.Qf3 Kh8 36.Nb5 f6 37.Kb1 Ra8 38.Nc3 Bf8 39.Rd1 fxe5 >40.Bxe5+ Bg7 41.Bxg7+ Nxg7 42.Ne5 Ra7 43.Nd5 Rea8 44.g5 Ne6 45.Nc7 Rxc7 >46.Qxa8+ Kg7 47.Qe8 Qxh3 48.Rd7+ Rxd7 49.Qxd7+ Kg8 50.Qc8+ Kg7 51.Qb7+ >Kg8 52.Qxb6 Qf5+ 53.Kb2 Nxf4 54.Qd8+ Qf8 55.Qxf8+ Kxf8 56.a5 Ne6 57.a6 >Nc7 58.a7 Ke7 59.Kc3 Kd6 60.Nf3 Kc6 61.Nd4+ Kb6 62.Nb5 Na8 63.Kb4 Kc6 >64.Ka5 and Shredder resigns 1-0 I have a testversion to see if I can put settings for [Center Control], [Bishop Mobility], [Strong Squares] and [Right to Move] in Rebel Betazoid. I'm just testing it here but it is either a hard position, or the settings are no good, or Black must have some hidden resources... With [Center Control = 20] * 25 [Bishop Mobility = 25] * 25 [Right to Move = 75] * 75 [Strong Squares = 125] * 125 I get [D]r1b1r1k1/pp3p1p/2pB1qpb/4n3/2P1PP2/1PN3nP/P1NQB1P1/2KRR3 w - - 0 1 Experimental 5sr7e 00:00:01.3 -1,43 1 170 fxe5 Bxd2+ Rxd2 00:00:01.3 5,37 1 172 Bxe5 00:00:01.3 1,28 2 520 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Qxd8 Rxd8+ Kg7 00:00:01.5 1,28 3 1859 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Qxd8 00:00:01.8 1,28 4 4897 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Qxd8 Rxd8+ 00:00:02.0 0,41 5 15028 Bxe5 Rxe5 fxe5 Bxd2+ Rxd2 Qxe5 Rd8+ Kg7 00:00:02.5 0,07 6 41863 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Qxd8 Rxd8+ Kg7 Bg4 Bxf4+ Kb2 00:00:03.1 0,09 6 119298 Bc5 Bxf4 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Qh4 Qc5 Qf4+ Qe3 00:00:03.5 0,09 7 169990 Bc5 Bxf4 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Qh4 Qc5 Qf4+ Qe3 00:00:07.1 0,11 8 716237 Bc5 Bxf4 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Qh4 Rd6 Re6 c5 f5 exf5 Nxf5 00:00:14.3 0,11 9 1872331 Bc5 Bxf4 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Qh4 Rd6 Re6 c5 f5 exf5 Nxf5 00:00:15.5 0,11 9 2060860 Bxe5 00:00:17.4 0,11 9 1872331 Bc5 Bxf4 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Qh4 Rd6 Re6 c5 f5 exf5 Nxf5 00:00:51.2 0,07 10 8184266 Bc5 Bxf4 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Qh4 Rd4 c5 Rd2 00:00:54.5 0,17 10 8721382 Bxe5 Rxe5 fxe5 Bxd2+ Rxd2 Qxe5 Rd8+ Kg7 Rd3 b5 00:01:54.7 -0,02 11 19386038 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Kg7 Qxf6+ Kxf6 Bf3 Bxf4+ Kb2 Kg7 Nd4 Rg5 Nde2 00:02:53.5 0,11 11 30485717 Bc5 Bxf4 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Nxe2+ 00:07:45.6 0,09 12 82541432 Bc5 Bxf4 Be3 00:16:50.7 0,10 13 182628520 Bc5 Bxf4 Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 Qh4 c5 Rb8 Rd2 Nd7 Bf3 b6 00:41:35.6 0,10 14 460987737 Bc5 Bxf4 Be3 Bxe3 (Move: Nd4 (28/38) depth=14) After 22.Rf1: 00:00:01.5 0,44 1 117 Nxf1 Rxf1 00:00:01.5 0,26 2 712 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 00:00:01.8 0,12 3 1748 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 Rd1 00:00:02.0 0,23 4 14454 Nxf1 Rxf1 a5 g4 Nd7 00:00:02.5 0,22 5 44975 Nxf1 Rxf1 Qh4 g3 Qf6 Rd1 00:00:03.6 0,15 6 183869 Nxf1 Rxf1 Qh4 g3 Qd8 Rd1 f6 Qe1 00:00:04.9 0,19 7 344879 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 Qh4 g5 Bg7 Bg4 Bxc3 00:00:09.4 0,19 8 986739 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 Qh4 g5 Bg7 Bg4 Nf8 Rg1 Rd8 00:00:16.0 0,19 9 2096266 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 Qh4 g5 Bg7 Bg4 Nf8 Rg1 Rd8 00:01:02.5 0,29 10 9037542 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 Qh4 Rf3 a5 Rd3 g5 Ba3 gxf4 Rxd7 00:02:25.8 0,34 11 22519680 Nxf1 Rxf1 Qh4 g4 Nd7 Rh1 a5 g5 Bg7 00:07:21.9 0,30 12 63392638 Nxf1 Rxf1 Qh4 g4 Nd7 Rf3 a5 00:18:49.7 0,28 13 175335540 Nxf1 Rxf1 Qh4 g4 Nd7 Rf3 Bg7 Bd3 (Scores for Black so Black is better) After 22.Rf1 Nxf1 23Rxf1Qh4: 00:00:00.9 -3,33 1 107 fxe5 Bxd2+ Kxd2 00:00:00.9 3,09 1 109 Bxe5 00:00:00.9 -0,60 2 328 Bxe5 Rxe5 00:00:01.0 -0,36 2 745 Nd1 Rd8 Bxe5 Rxd2 Kxd2 00:00:01.0 1,84 2 1326 g3 Qxg3 Bxe5 Bxh3 00:00:01.2 1,84 3 1935 g3 Qxg3 Bxe5 Bxh3 00:00:01.5 0,20 4 6496 g3 Qxg3 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ 00:00:01.9 0,16 5 25563 g3 Qd8 Rd1 f6 Qe1 00:00:02.7 0,20 6 97469 g3 Qxg3 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Bf8 fxe5 00:00:04.0 0,09 7 256457 g3 Qxg3 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Kg7 Kb1 Bxf4 00:00:08.8 0,18 8 920340 g3 Qd8 Rd1 f6 g4 Nf7 c5 Ne5 00:00:18.9 0,33 9 2458980 g3 Qd8 Rd1 Nd7 c5 b6 Nb4 Nxc5 Nxc6 00:00:51.9 -0,05 10 7796260 g3 Qxg3 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Kg7 Kb2 Bxf4 h4 00:02:25.4 -0,05 11 23155814 g3 Qxg3 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Kg7 Kb2 Bxf4 h4 00:05:44.3 -0,11 12 57184501 g3 Qxg3 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Kg7 Kb2 Bxf4 Bg4 00:20:50.1 -0,11 13 208784493 g3 Qxg3 Bxe5 Rxe5 In other words Experimental Rebel thinks Black is now better even from White's point of view (The evaluation is slightly asymmetrical/biased) But on the other hand, Q3 for tactics thinks that Chessmaster's 22.Rf1 is the best move: Q3 00:00:01.2 -2,14 1 171 fxe5 Bxd2+ Rxd2 00:00:01.2 4,94 1 173 Bxe5 00:00:01.3 -0,05 2 10977 Bxe5 Rxe5 Qd8+ Qxd8 Rxd8+ Kg7 Bg4 00:00:01.3 0,75 2 12915 Bh5 Nxh5 Bxe5 Bxf4 Bxf4 Nxf4 00:00:01.4 0,91 2 13543 Rh1 Nxh1 Bxe5 00:00:01.5 -0,99 3 15408 Rh1 Bxf4 Ne3 Nxh1 00:00:01.5 0,38 3 16660 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 00:00:01.8 0,49 4 34833 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 00:00:02.3 0,40 5 78053 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 Bg4 a5 00:00:03.2 0,39 6 186665 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 c5 g5 00:00:05.1 0,56 7 493568 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 Bg7 e5 Qh4 00:00:09.2 0,45 8 1239137 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Qd8 g4 f6 Rd1 Qa5 g5 00:00:19.3 0,49 9 3172650 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 Bg7 e5 Qh4 Qd3 c5 00:00:43.5 0,61 10 8010612 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 Bf8 e5 Qh4 Rf3 Bxd6 exd6 c5 00:01:44.1 0,37 11 20428516 Rf1 Qh4 Rf2 Nxe2+ Qxe2 Bxf4+ 00:06:53.3 0,51 12 83342259 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 Qh4 Rf3 c5 g5 00:18:20.9 0,47 13 224411678 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 Qh4 Rf3 c5 g5 01:00:53.7 0,55 14 750597255 Rf1 Nxf1 Rxf1 Nd7 g4 Qh4 g5 They can not both be right, unless they are picking the right move for their own style.
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