Author: Peter Schreiner
Date: 17:47:34 11/08/98
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Dear Mike + Hannu
I `m trying to answer your questions, but I `m mostly careful giving statements
about early betas. Unlikely we have often some dubious comments about new
programs. I `ll try to answer you, but don`t forget : it`s only a beta.
Mike wrote :
> Nice comments, but, equally important for me, and others for sure, is:
>could you be specific about your impressions of strength of Genius6?
No I don`t like that. Why ? It`s an early beta and I didn`t belong to the group
of experts, which have a special talent : they can tell you everything about the
strength of a new program after one hour ....;-)) I`m not shure about the
strength of the new CG6, but this wasn`t my point. What I can say is, that it
plays different in relation to the older versions. In blitz it`s a horrable
monster, also against the up to date top-programs. At last we have to wait for
the final release .......
>Comparing games with existing engines, personal feelings, etc?
>Was said by too much people that the strength difference between
>CG3-CG5 is almost zero.
This is correct. I also believe, that the differences between CG3 -- CG5 are
very very small. Naturally I have here some results and games against other
programs, but please : I `m not willed to publish this stuff here.
1.) It`s a beta
2.) In the past I disliked the behaviour of a group of people, which published
here opinions, meanings or games about programs, which are not finished. Okay ?
My point was, that I was surprised about the comment here, that Richard delivers
only an old 16bit-engine with his new CG6. To this statement it`s possible for
me, to give a clear opinion: it`s nonsense ......
Hannu wrote :
>Hi Peter,
Hi Hannu :-)
>It sounds, that you have some experience with Genius 6 :-). Do you know if pc-board as Chess >232, Tasc-Smartboard, Mephisto-board or the DGT-board are supported?
I don`t know it exactly. In the beta there is no device for the tascboard as in
the past with CG4/CG5. But I remember, that I asked them. They told me, that the
final includes the driver for the tascboard again, but I `m not shure.
> What is about a auto 232-feature.
The beta has this feature. With a few mouseclicks you can select all the
settings for auto232. But I don`t know, what they will do in the final. Perhaps
you remember, that there was a heated discussion about the secret F5-device +
SSDF.......
I think, that it is better, that you ask Millenium directly.
> Thank you for you answer in advance!
No problem. Have fun !
-Peter
>Best greetings,
>Hannu Wegner
On November 07, 1998 at 23:19:33, Peter Schreiner wrote:
>Subject: Fact or Fiction about Chess Genius 6????
>From: Steven Schwartz
>E-mail: icd@icdchess.com
>Message Number: 31856
>Date: November 06, 1998 at 16:50:34
>
>> I just came across the following post in rgcc...
>> I believe that this person is a CCC member. I
>> am curious as to what this means...
>> - Steve (ICD/Your Move)
>
>
>>>Posted by "DeeDeeRamone"...
>>>"I know something about this, but as far as I understand,
>>>it's not gonna be real CG 6, just they're trying to sell
>>>a bunch of everything that's not selling anymore, and it's
>>>gonna contain only CG5 with some add-ons. I mean no real
>>>programming improvement from Richard :("
>
>This is naturally not true ! A few weeks ago, I received the Genius6-Beta from
>the distributor Millenium for some tests. In my view it `s a professionell
>system, which offers a lot of practical features and some very strong engines.
>Specially the new engine from Richard Lang is now in 32Bit and I can`t
>understand, that this guy try to told us, that there is no real programming
>improvement ...very strange. Did you really believe, that Richard Lang didn`t
>make any progress in the last two years or that he deliver only an old
>16Bit-version with his new 32bit-version ...?
>
>Some impressions and keyfunctions from my side:
>
>1.) a nice interface using the standards under Windows; works under
>WIN95/98/NT,
>
>2.) a positional chess tree with a lot of detailed information; this chesstree
>is used as a opening book --> it`s very easy to edit all the preferences in the
>book;; you can complete the new book with cbf- or pgnfiles; you can import the
>older book-format of genius --> *.cgs or *.bok
>
>3.)CG6 supports all important data-formats : pgn, cbf,epd, fen..etc. Good
>database functions in combination with the cbf-format, easy to transform these
>formats for an exchange with other programs
>
>4.) you can analyse with more than one engine at the same time. I analysed a
>game with different engines at the same moment --> Zarkov 5 + Genius 6. Each
>engine displayed all informations in a separate window with a lot of interesting
>informations ( nodes(/second, best move, mainline,etc. ). Comparing the
>different results is very easy.
>
>5.) You can set all complex parameters of the different engines very simple with
>a few mouse clicks
>
>6.) CG6 can analyse complete game - or testsets. Every engine writes it`s search
>results inclusive the engine-name into the notation
>
>7.) like in winboard you can play complete matches between the different engines
>
>and so on.
>
>The most interesting aspect is in my view, that the specifications of this
>system are open for every interested programmer. They can produce and distribute
>such an engine without any contracts, licences or whatever. The question for me
>is : is this system the successor of the winboard ? It`s true, that the winboard
>is free. But it is also true, that the CG6-interface has better features, better
>graphics, better database functions, a positionell chess tree etc......
>
>I think, that the new system is an interesting enrichment for our hobby.
>
>Best wishes
>
>-Peter
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