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Subject: Re: computer with no book perform much better than with book?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:05:52 10/15/03

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On October 14, 2003 at 18:02:26, Igor V. Korshunov wrote:

>On October 14, 2003 at 10:08:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On October 14, 2003 at 08:00:48, emerson tan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I played a 24 game match between chessmaster9000 default and chessmater9000
>>>without book with time control of 40 moves in 2 hours and the result was 13.5 to
>>>10.5 in favor of cm without book. 8 wins for without book and 5 wins for the
>>>default and 11 draws between them.
>>>
>>>Its seems that the one with no book "understands" the position better than the
>>>one without the book because it calculates from move one therby can follow the
>>>progress of the position from move one, the computer decides how the position
>>>progress and it arives in a position that the computer likes and knows how to
>>>play it. unlike the one with book,it may not know well how to play the position
>>>after it is out of the opening. that's just my wild way of explaining it, but
>>>seriously, why did the one without book beat the default one? I was expecting
>>>the default one to beat the one without books because you can see that from the
>>>earlt part of the game, the one with book was usually way ahead of of time,
>>>leaving it much more time to calculate complications in later part of the game.
>>
>>
>>Something has to be wrong.  In a 40/2 game, most openings should go for 10
>>moves.  That gives one program an extra 30 minutes on the clock since book
>>moves are played instantly.  That extra 30 minutes is significant.  Add to
>>that the fact that several openings have deep traps that can't be seen by a
>>normal search, and the gap should widen farther.
>
>30 minutes is not significant. It is can give in average 10 Elo points. Such
>difference can't be noticed in 24 games match.
>
>Finally, I can say that 24 games is not enough to decide that this result
>strange.


It might be more than 10.  IE I have seen many games go 20 moves with one
in book, one out.  That turns into a two-to-one time handicap.  Doubling
the time for one program is a _serious_ advantage.  Closer to 50-60 Elo
based on SSDF numbers.



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