Author: Mike Castañuela
Date: 20:16:33 11/08/98
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Hi Peter:
Thank you for your kindness for answer my question. I'll waiting
if in the near future is, in the measure of possible,
publish results, aproximated with other top programs (not moves). For me, the
main criterion for buy a program is the strength, secondly GUI and features.
Very thanks.
On November 08, 1998 at 20:47:34, Peter Schreiner wrote:
>Dear Mike + Hannu
>
>I `m trying to answer your questions, but I `m mostly careful giving statements
>about early betas. Unlikely we have often some dubious comments about new
>programs. I `ll try to answer you, but don`t forget : it`s only a beta.
>
>Mike wrote :
>
>> Nice comments, but, equally important for me, and others for sure, is:
>>could you be specific about your impressions of strength of Genius6?
>
>No I don`t like that. Why ? It`s an early beta and I didn`t belong to the group
>of experts, which have a special talent : they can tell you everything about the
>strength of a new program after one hour ....;-)) I`m not shure about the
>strength of the new CG6, but this wasn`t my point. What I can say is, that it
>plays different in relation to the older versions. In blitz it`s a horrable
>monster, also against the up to date top-programs. At last we have to wait for
>the final release .......
>
>
>>Comparing games with existing engines, personal feelings, etc?
>>Was said by too much people that the strength difference between
>>CG3-CG5 is almost zero.
>
>This is correct. I also believe, that the differences between CG3 -- CG5 are
>very very small. Naturally I have here some results and games against other
>programs, but please : I `m not willed to publish this stuff here.
>
>1.) It`s a beta
>
>2.) In the past I disliked the behaviour of a group of people, which published
>here opinions, meanings or games about programs, which are not finished. Okay ?
>
>My point was, that I was surprised about the comment here, that Richard delivers
>only an old 16bit-engine with his new CG6. To this statement it`s possible for
>me, to give a clear opinion: it`s nonsense ......
>
>Hannu wrote :
>
>>Hi Peter,
>
>Hi Hannu :-)
>
>>It sounds, that you have some experience with Genius 6 :-). Do you know if pc-board as Chess >232, Tasc-Smartboard, Mephisto-board or the DGT-board are supported?
>
>I don`t know it exactly. In the beta there is no device for the tascboard as in
>the past with CG4/CG5. But I remember, that I asked them. They told me, that the
>final includes the driver for the tascboard again, but I `m not shure.
>
>> What is about a auto 232-feature.
>
>The beta has this feature. With a few mouseclicks you can select all the
>settings for auto232. But I don`t know, what they will do in the final. Perhaps
>you remember, that there was a heated discussion about the secret F5-device +
>SSDF.......
>
>I think, that it is better, that you ask Millenium directly.
>
>> Thank you for you answer in advance!
>
>No problem. Have fun !
>
>-Peter
>
>
>>Best greetings,
>>Hannu Wegner
>
>
>On November 07, 1998 at 23:19:33, Peter Schreiner wrote:
>
>>Subject: Fact or Fiction about Chess Genius 6????
>>From: Steven Schwartz
>>E-mail: icd@icdchess.com
>>Message Number: 31856
>>Date: November 06, 1998 at 16:50:34
>>
>>> I just came across the following post in rgcc...
>>> I believe that this person is a CCC member. I
>>> am curious as to what this means...
>>> - Steve (ICD/Your Move)
>>
>>
>>>>Posted by "DeeDeeRamone"...
>>>>"I know something about this, but as far as I understand,
>>>>it's not gonna be real CG 6, just they're trying to sell
>>>>a bunch of everything that's not selling anymore, and it's
>>>>gonna contain only CG5 with some add-ons. I mean no real
>>>>programming improvement from Richard :("
>>
>>This is naturally not true ! A few weeks ago, I received the Genius6-Beta from
>>the distributor Millenium for some tests. In my view it `s a professionell
>>system, which offers a lot of practical features and some very strong engines.
>>Specially the new engine from Richard Lang is now in 32Bit and I can`t
>>understand, that this guy try to told us, that there is no real programming
>>improvement ...very strange. Did you really believe, that Richard Lang didn`t
>>make any progress in the last two years or that he deliver only an old
>>16Bit-version with his new 32bit-version ...?
>>
>>Some impressions and keyfunctions from my side:
>>
>>1.) a nice interface using the standards under Windows; works under
>>WIN95/98/NT,
>>
>>2.) a positional chess tree with a lot of detailed information; this chesstree
>>is used as a opening book --> it`s very easy to edit all the preferences in the
>>book;; you can complete the new book with cbf- or pgnfiles; you can import the
>>older book-format of genius --> *.cgs or *.bok
>>
>>3.)CG6 supports all important data-formats : pgn, cbf,epd, fen..etc. Good
>>database functions in combination with the cbf-format, easy to transform these
>>formats for an exchange with other programs
>>
>>4.) you can analyse with more than one engine at the same time. I analysed a
>>game with different engines at the same moment --> Zarkov 5 + Genius 6. Each
>>engine displayed all informations in a separate window with a lot of interesting
>>informations ( nodes(/second, best move, mainline,etc. ). Comparing the
>>different results is very easy.
>>
>>5.) You can set all complex parameters of the different engines very simple with
>>a few mouse clicks
>>
>>6.) CG6 can analyse complete game - or testsets. Every engine writes it`s search
>>results inclusive the engine-name into the notation
>>
>>7.) like in winboard you can play complete matches between the different engines
>>
>>and so on.
>>
>>The most interesting aspect is in my view, that the specifications of this
>>system are open for every interested programmer. They can produce and distribute
>>such an engine without any contracts, licences or whatever. The question for me
>>is : is this system the successor of the winboard ? It`s true, that the winboard
>>is free. But it is also true, that the CG6-interface has better features, better
>>graphics, better database functions, a positionell chess tree etc......
>>
>>I think, that the new system is an interesting enrichment for our hobby.
>>
>>Best wishes
>>
>>-Peter
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