Author: blass uri
Date: 21:15:39 11/08/98
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On November 08, 1998 at 21:23:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 08, 1998 at 17:08:12, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On November 07, 1998 at 17:04:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>I don't believe so, no. Based on 10+ years of experience in watching older >>>and slower versions of deep thought absolutely shred micro programs, and >>>factoring in the 100-fold improvement (at least) in the speed of DB over >>>the older Deep Thought, I'd think that there might not be a better commercial >>>program for even longer if my suspicion that doubling in speed every 18 months >>>turns out to be true.. I don't see how it can continue... and without that >>>performance boost, micros vs db would be totally hopeless... >> >>Bob, >> >>Those 10+ years ended in 1993 or so, the last time that Deep Thought played and >>won against a micro. As you well know, post-1993 versions of Deep Blue played >>very few games against micros and won none of them. > > >Don't know about you, but in 1994, I was in Cape May New Jersay, and watched >the same old deep thought hardware blow everyone off the board. Micros >included... > >and I certainly don't understand your last phrase "played very few and won none" >so I assume you can give some data. I would invert that a bit... it played >very few but won *all*... the only exception was the game vs Fritz in Hong >Kong... > >> >>In 1993 the top micros were rated about 2300 (according to SSDF, the top four >>are rated 2322, 2302, 2292, 2288), so dominating them doesn't prove superiority >>over today's top programs. What's more, if yout play over old DT/DB games, it >>seems to get into serious trouble in every other game it plays, but gets away >>with it. There was a game it played as white against Zarkov in ACM (1992, I >>think), which it made every attempt to lose, but Zarkov apparently didn't want >>to win. Playing over this game, you realize it is lost not only against the top >>programs of today, but even against the middle of the pack. I also wonder how >>many of today's top programs would fail to exploit DB-Prototype's bad opening >>against Star Socrates. > >Fine... DT didn't play great. But it blew everyone out tactically. But what >does that have to do with "deep blue"? based on hardware two generations newer >than the 1992 Deep Thought that was still unbeatable? And let me remind you >once again... final game of kasparov vs deep blue... two commercial programs >were given that position playing white, against an IM, and both lost badly... I do not think that the opening that kasparov played was the problem but the fact that kasparov was not ready to play it. I am not sure if deep blue can win against the same IM or against top program with white. Uri
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