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Subject: Re: YACP (Yet Another Chess Problem)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 13:55:23 10/16/03

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On October 16, 2003 at 16:08:11, Klaus Friedel wrote:

>On October 16, 2003 at 10:02:58, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On October 16, 2003 at 09:18:27, Tord Romstad wrote:
>>
>>>On October 16, 2003 at 09:08:15, Lyn Harper wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Why should it be moderately difficult?
>>>
>>>Simply because the combination is not really that deep.
>>>
>>>>Well, Chessmaster9000 could'nt solve it, just kept wanting to take the knight on
>>>>e5 after glancing at the correct
>>>>move for a nanosecond. Same with Ruffian. Good thing I did'nt offer $1 million
>>>>to the first solver. :)
>>>>  And you come up with some obscure chess program, that I've never heard of,
>>>> and get the solution.
>>>
>>>It's not so obscure to me, as it happens to be my own program.  :-)
>>>
>>>I would guess that most strong programs finds the right move rather quickly,
>>>but that CM9K and Ruffian have one of their few blind spots in this particular
>>>position.
>>>
>>>Tord
>>
>>Your guess is wrong.
>>
>>most programs are different than your program and your program has some
>>advantages relative to the top programs so the top programs cannot see the
>>following line in a reasonable time:
>>
>>1. Nf6+ Kg7 2. Nh5+ Kg6 3. Bc2+ Kxh5 4. d8=Q Nf7+ 5. Ke6 Nxd8+ 6. Kf5 e2 7.
>>Be4 e1=N 8. Bd5 c2 9. Bc4 c1=N 10. Bb5 Nc6 11. Bxc6 Nc7 12. Ba4 Nc2 13.
>>Bxc2 Ne2 14. Bd1 c4 15. Bxe2#
>>*
>>
>>They probably assume that black is winning because black has a big material
>>advantage.
>>
>>I guess that your program extend moves that threat mate in 2 like
>>10.Bb5 when other programs do not do it(even if they extend mate threat they may
>>not do it in positions when the side to move has only a bishop and pawn because
>>they were not designed to solve studies and in games it may be better not to
>>waste time on checking it).
>>
>>
>>Uri
>
>Whatever makes Gothmog special, Aristarch uses it as well. I wasn't able to find
>any other programm being able to solve this one.

Every program that does not search underpromotions can solve it but I believe
that Gothmog is not one of the programs with that design decision

Uri



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