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Subject: Re: hard test position for a computer I think

Author: Tim Foden

Date: 06:08:30 10/18/03

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On October 18, 2003 at 08:41:41, macaroni wrote:

>Yes, fairly similar to what my comp thinks. I would be surprised if any
>computers could get this.

GLC 3.33 (devel version) likes Nxe5 eventually (after over an hour), but not by
very much.  :)

Cheers, Tim.

Analysis (AXP 2.1GHz, 24MB Hash):

>anal
 Game stage: Opening
 Current eval: -0.919
 Ply   Time   Score   Nodes  Principal variation
  4   0.011  -0.117    5066  h3 {++} Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd4 3. Ng5
  4   0.011  +0.142    7765  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd4 3. Ng5
  4   0.011  +0.142    9783  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd4 3. Ng5
  5   0.021  +0.163   18967  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd4 3. Bh6+ Bg7 4. c3
  5   0.031  +0.163   26732  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd4 3. Bh6+ Bg7 4. c3
  6   0.071  +0.110   57054  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd5 3. c4 Qd4 4. Ng5
  6   0.091  +0.110   76640  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd5 3. c4 Qd4 4. Ng5
  7   0.181  +0.142  158767  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Kg7 3. Ng5 f6 4. Qxc6 Qd5 5. Qxd5
                               Nxd5
  7   0.261  +0.142  235623  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Kg7 3. Ng5 f6 4. Qxc6 Qd5 5. Qxd5
                               Nxd5
  8   0.611  -0.131  527994  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd5 3. c4 Qd4 4. Nc3 f6 5. Bg5
  8   0.862  -0.131  764267  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd5 3. c4 Qd4 4. Nc3 f6 5. Bg5
  9   1.252  -0.164 1109964  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd5 3. c4 Qd4 4. Bh6+ Kg8 5. Nc3
                               f6 {ht}
  9   2.254  -0.164 2088683  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Qd5 3. c4 Qd4 4. Bh6+ Kg8 5. Nc3
                               f6 {ht}
 10   4.197  -0.092 3932680  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. Ng5 Qd5 4. Qg3 Rc8 5. Qg4
                               f5 6. Qe2
 10   5.949  -0.092 5718608  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. Ng5 Qd5 4. Qg3 Rc8 5. Qg4
                               f5 6. Qe2
 11   9.264  -0.116 8823422  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. Rb1 f5 4. Ng5 Qd6 5. g4 Qd5
                               6. Qxd5 cxd5 7. Bf4
 11  13.730  -0.116  13291k  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. Rb1 f5 4. Ng5 Qd6 5. g4 Qd5
                               6. Qxd5 cxd5 7. Bf4
 12  24.716  -0.159  21060k  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. Rb1 f5 4. Ng5 Qd6 5. Ne4
                               Qe5 6. Bg5 Ne6 7. Bd2
 12  39.297  -0.159  35051k  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. Rb1 f5 4. Ng5 Qd6 5. Ne4
                               Qe5 6. Bg5 Ne6 7. Bd2
 13 1:07.40  -0.211  60239k  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. Rb1 f5 4. g4 Qd7 5. gxf5
                               Qxf5 6. Qf4 Qxf4 7. Bxf4 Ne6 8. Be3 Kf7
 13 2:20.83  -0.211 122505k  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. Rb1 f5 4. g4 Qd7 5. gxf5
                               Qxf5 6. Qf4 Qxf4 7. Bxf4 Ne6 8. Be3 Kf7
 14 3:49.41  -0.200 201329k  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. a4 h6 4. a5 Ne6 {ht}
 14 7:29.82  -0.200 383799k  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. a4 h6 4. a5 Ne6 {ht}
 15 10:15.0  -0.272 527811k  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. a4 h6 4. a5 Ne6 5. c3 bxa5
                               6. Nd2 Kg8 7. Qxc6 Kh7 8. Ne4 Qxd3 9. Nxc5 Nxc5
                               10. Qxc5
 15 21:50.0  -0.272   1109m  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. a4 h6 4. a5 Ne6 5. c3 bxa5
                               6. Nd2 Kg8 7. Qxc6 Kh7 8. Ne4 Qxd3 9. Nxc5 Nxc5
                               10. Qxc5
 16 30:55.3  -0.212   1581m  h3 Bxf3 2. Qxf3 Bg7 3. a4 a5 4. Ra3 Ne6 5. Ng5
                               Nxg5 6. Bxg5 f6 7. Rb3 Qd5 8. Qxd5 cxd5 9. Bd2
                               Ra6 10. Rb5
 16 1:07:37  -0.065   3393m  Nxe5 Bxd1 2. Nxc6 Qe8 3. Bh6+ Kg8 4. Nf6+ exf6 5.
                               Ne7+ Qxe7 6. Rxe7 Nd5 7. Rd7 Nb4 8. Rxd1 Nxc2 9.
                               Re7 f5 10. b3 Nd4 11. Rde1 a5
 16 1:11:37  -0.065   3599m  Nxe5 Bxd1 2. Nxc6 Qe8 3. Bh6+ Kg8 4. Nf6+ exf6 5.
                               Ne7+ Qxe7 6. Rxe7 Nd5 7. Rd7 Nb4 8. Rxd1 Nxc2 9.
                               Re7 f5 10. b3 Nd4 11. Rde1 a5
 17 1:12:55  +0.132   3684m  Nxe5 Bxd1 2. Nxc6 Qe8 3. Bh6+ Kg8 4. Nf6+ exf6 5.
                               Ne7+ Qxe7 6. Rxe7 Nd5 7. Rd7 Nb4 8. Rxd1 Nxc2 9.
                               Rc1 Nd4 10. Re1 Nf5 11. Bf4 Kg7 12. Re6
 17 1:32:22  +0.132   4699m  Nxe5 Bxd1 2. Nxc6 Qe8 3. Bh6+ Kg8 4. Nf6+ exf6 5.
                               Ne7+ Qxe7 6. Rxe7 Nd5 7. Rd7 Nb4 8. Rxd1 Nxc2 9.
                               Rc1 Nd4 10. Re1 Nf5 11. Bf4 Kg7 12. Re6
 18 1:35:09  +0.100   4883m  Nxe5 Bxd1 2. Nxc6 Qe8 3. Bh6+ Kg8 4. Nf6+ exf6 5.
                               Ne7+ Qxe7 6. Rxe7 Nd5 7. Rd7 Nb4 8. Rxd1 Nxc2 9.
                               a3 Nd4 10. Re1 Nf5 11. Rxa7 Rd8 12. Be3 Rxd3
Analyse>exit
 local:  t=2:00:42  nps=869407.4  n=6296034284 (18.8% / 81.2%)
 total:  t=2:01:48  nps=875311.1  n=6396764192
 stats:  fh=92.7%/3.41%/0.948%  draws=701955
 trans:  probes=1182478845  hits=84208103 (7.12%)  draft=69230684 (5.85%)
 tcuts:  exact=1781 (0.00%)  upper=35373290 (2.99%)  lower=31385465 (2.65%)
 tstor:  exact=2440 (0.00%)  upper=312122733 (67.75%)  lower=148603318 (32.25%)
 ehash:  probes=0  hits=0 (-1.$%)
 ext:  check=168669736  recap=18102061  ppush=1029415  1rep=9960521  thrt=166027

 q-moves:  gen=196535120  tested=2107276907  made/un=677358994  max-dep=16

>The eval() required to do it would have to be super
>strong. And if I force to the end of the line (to Rxe7, winning back the queen),
>even crafty takes a fair ammount of time to see white is in fact better. It's a
>tricky position, and I guess shows that maybe we can always have an
>edge......maybe......



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