Author: Chessfun
Date: 11:17:52 10/18/03
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On October 18, 2003 at 12:29:38, James T. Walker wrote: >On October 18, 2003 at 11:15:19, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 18, 2003 at 11:10:33, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On October 18, 2003 at 02:54:37, Thoralf Karlsson wrote: >>> >>>> 2 Junior 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2784 >>>>DpFrit7 A1200 24-16 Fritz 8 A1200 47.5-26.5 Hiarcs9 A1200 17-11 >>>>Shred6P A1200 25.5-16.5 Junior7 A1200 23.5-16.5 Ruffian A1200 21.5-18.5 >>>>Shre532 A1200 9-5 Gandal5 A1200 25.5-14.5 Shred5 K6-450 36-10 >>>>Frit532 K6450 42.5-9.5 Nimz732 K6450 48.5-13.5 Hiar732 K6450 31-9 >>>>Goliath K6450 8-1 Craf17.07 K62 13.5-4.5 >>>> >>>> 6 Deep Junior 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2748 >>>>Shr7.04 A1200 22-28 Fritz 7 A1200 9-11 CT 15.0 A1200 23.5-16.5 >>>>Hiarcs8 A1200 23.5-20.5 CT15.0 K6450 26.5-15.5 DpFritz7 K6-2 26-16 >>>>Fritz6 K6-450 33-11 Junior6 K6450 33.5-14.5 Nimzo 8 K6450 8-5 >>>>SOS K6-2 450 39-6 Goliath K6450 33.5-10.5 >>>> >>>> 7 Hiarcs 9.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2746 >>>>Shr7.04 A1200 7-8 Junior8 A1200 11-17 Fritz 8 A1200 5.5-8.5 >>>>Shredd7 K6450 9-5 Junior7 K6450 13-6 Fritz6 K6-450 8.5-4.5 >>>>Junior6 K6450 31.5-14.5 Shred5 K6-450 34-12 Hiar732 K6450 12-2 >>>> >>> >>>I do not see the point of testing a Deep version and a single version of a >>>program on a single processor. >>>IMO this is just a waste of time. >>>You could have tested a strong amateur engine instead. >>>Aristarch,List,Little Goliath or CLC for example. >> >>I agree that there is no reason to test both Deep version and single version >>when they are the same engine. >> >> >>> >>>>There are three new entrants in this edition of >>>>the SSDF rating list. Fortunately enough all three >>>>have received clearly higher ratings than their >>>>predecessors! >>>> >>>>The first program which we have tested is Amir Bans >>>>and Shay Bushinskys Deep Junior 8.0 on a single >>>>Athlon 1200 MHz. After 432 tournament games >>>>against other programs, it has now a SSDF-rating of >>>>2748. That is 49 points above it's predecessor >>>>Junior 7.0, which appeared somewhat more than two years >>>>ago. >>>> >>>>As perhaps can be understood from it's name, Deep Junior 8.0 >>>>is primarily intended for PCs with several processors. When >>>>used on a single processor, the search is said to be slowed >>>>down about 5% compared to Junior 8.0, which we also have >>>>tested. After 545 games Junior 8.0 Athlon 1200 MHz now >>>>has a rating of 2784, 85 points more than Junior 7.0! >>>> >>>>The present rating difference between the single and >>>>multiprocessor versions of Junior 8.0 is 36 points. The >>>>slight speed difference between them should give only >>>>3-4 rating points. If the programs otherwise play identically, >>>>and that is what I have understood, the rest must be >>>>attributed to statistical factors. >>> >>>No wonder >>> >>>Junior 8 did not play against Shredder 7.04 nor Shredder 7. >>>It did not play against a Chesstiger version too. >>> >>>Instead it played 60 games against Shredder 5/5.32, 52 games agsinst the old >>>Fritz 5.32 on inferior hardware and 62 games against the old Nimzo 7.32 >>>on inferior hardware. >>> >>>Michael >> >>Why do you think that playing against weaker opponents mean bigger rating? >> >>It is often not the case and I remember that Junior5 lost rating from playing >>against old Comet on inferior hardware. >> >>Uri > >Uri, you conitnue to bring up this single instance over and over. It may be >just an aberation and not normal. My experience tells me that computers do >exagerate their rating differences and playing weak opponents will on average >give a higher rating. More games vs top opponents will give a better indication >of Junior 8 rating. My blitz testing of Junior 8 shows it has only a 25 Elo >increase over Junior 7. The SSDF list shows twice that much improvement. I >have played it vs Fritz 8, Hiarcs 9,Shredder 7 and Ruffian 1.0.5 so far. >Jim I have it at 45 points over Junior 7 after the following 140 games at 60' on XP 2600; With 2634 rating points I have Deep Junior 8 at 2636 although I see from a post here from Tony I think that it should be a little less than J8 though I guess that's within the error band. Both lost matches BTW to Junior 6a. (6) Junior 8 : 140 (+ 53,= 54,- 33), 57.1 % Fritz 6 : 10 (+ 4,= 5,- 1), 65.0 % Nimzo 8 : 10 (+ 6,= 2,- 2), 70.0 % Junior 6a : 10 (+ 4,= 1,- 5), 45.0 % Chess Tiger 14.0 : 10 (+ 4,= 4,- 2), 60.0 % Gambit Tiger 2.0 : 10 (+ 3,= 6,- 1), 60.0 % Junior 7 : 10 (+ 4,= 5,- 1), 65.0 % Fritz 7 : 10 (+ 6,= 3,- 1), 75.0 % Tiger 15 normal style : 10 (+ 1,= 4,- 5), 30.0 % Hiarcs 8 : 10 (+ 4,= 4,- 2), 60.0 % Deep Fritz 7 : 10 (+ 5,= 2,- 3), 60.0 % Crafty 18.11 : 10 (+ 4,= 5,- 1), 65.0 % Shredder 7 : 10 (+ 2,= 4,- 4), 40.0 % Shredder 7.04 : 10 (+ 3,= 4,- 3), 50.0 % List 504 : 10 (+ 3,= 5,- 2), 55.0 % I have Deep Junior 8 at; (4) Deep Junior 8 : 160 (+ 70,= 45,- 45), 57.8 % Deep Fritz : 10 (+ 4,= 2,- 4), 50.0 % Junior 6a : 10 (+ 3,= 1,- 6), 35.0 % Hiarcs 7.32 : 10 (+ 6,= 3,- 1), 75.0 % Nimzo 7.32 : 10 (+ 4,= 4,- 2), 60.0 % Chess Tiger 14.0 : 10 (+ 3,= 2,- 5), 40.0 % Gambit Tiger 2.0 : 10 (+ 3,= 5,- 2), 55.0 % Fritz 7 : 10 (+ 4,= 2,- 4), 50.0 % Shredder 6 : 10 (+ 6,= 4,- 0), 80.0 % Tiger 15 normal style : 10 (+ 5,= 2,- 3), 60.0 % Shredder Paderborn : 10 (+ 4,= 2,- 4), 50.0 % Deep Fritz 7 : 10 (+ 5,= 3,- 2), 65.0 % Crafty 18.11 : 10 (+ 7,= 1,- 2), 75.0 % Shredder 7 : 10 (+ 3,= 5,- 2), 55.0 % Fritz 8 : 10 (+ 3,= 3,- 4), 45.0 % Shredder 7.04 : 10 (+ 6,= 3,- 1), 75.0 % Deep Sjeng 1.0 : 10 (+ 4,= 3,- 3), 55.0 % Sarah.
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