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Subject: Re: A position to analyze...

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 00:54:42 10/20/03

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On October 19, 2003 at 18:27:35, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On October 19, 2003 at 16:40:19, Eelco de Groot wrote:
>
>>On October 19, 2003 at 15:27:49, Ernst Walet wrote:
>>
>>>On October 19, 2003 at 15:15:37, Theo van der Storm wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dutch games link(nt) http://www.computerschaak.nl/pgn_base/docc03.pgn
>>>
>>>As far as I recall, in the game Diep-Rebel, the last move in the PGN was not
>>>played.  Rebel played a2, completely missing the obvious, and Jeroen offered
>>>draw right away.
>>>
>>>Ernst.
>>[Event "23rd DOCC"]
>>[Site "Leiden NED"]
>>[Date "19/10/2003"]
>>[Round "06"]
>>[White "Rebel"]
>>[Black "Diep"]
>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>
>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. d5 Ne5 5. Qd4 Ng6 6. e4 e5 7. Qxc4 Bd6 8. Qa4+
>>Bd7 9. Bb5
>>Nf6 10. Nf3 O-O 11. Bxd7 Qxd7 12. Qxd7 Nxd7 13. Be3 Nf4 14. Bxf4 exf4 15. Nd4
>>Be5 16. O-O-O
>>Rae8 17. Rhe1 a6 18. Kc2 g6 19. Nce2 Re7 20. f3 Rfe8 21. Rg1 Bd6 22. Rgf1 h5 23.
>>Nc1 f5
>>24. exf5 Nb6 25. Ne6 gxf5 26. Kb1 Nc4 27. Rh1 Ne3 28. Rd2 c6 29. Nd3 Nxd5 30.
>>Nec5 b6
>>31. Na4 Re2 32. Kc1 Kh7 33. Rhd1 R2e6 34. Kb1 Bf8 35. Rg1 Bg7 36. Rgd1 a5 37.
>>Kc1 Bd4
>>38. Kb1 c5 39. Nc1 Ne3 40. Rh1 b5 41. Nc3 Nc4 42. Rc2 Bxc3 43. Rxc3 Rg6 44. Rg1
>>Nd2+ 45. Kc2
>>b4 46. Rd3 Nc4 47. Rd7+ Kh6 48. Kb3 Nb6 49. Rc7 c4+ 50. Kc2 Nd5 51. Rc5 Ne3+ 52.
>>Kb1 a4
>>53. Ne2 Rxg2 54. Rc6+ Kg5 55. Rh1 h4 56. Nd4 a3 57. bxa3 bxa3 58. Ne6+ Rxe6 59.
>>Rxe6
>>Nd5 60. Re8 Rb2+ 61. Kc1 Nb4 62. Rg1+ Kf6 63. Rgg8 Nxa2+ 64. Kd1 Nc3+ 65. Ke1 a2
>>66. Rgf8+ 1/2-1/2
>>
>>Ouch! I think that is one for the chesscolumns, Ernst! Tien punten voor de
>>blunderubriek! From your story, I take it that Diep played 65...a2?? here
>>
>>[D]4R1R1/8/5k2/5p2/2p2p1p/p1n2P2/1r5P/4K3 b - - 3 1
>>
>>Rebel would also have played that...
>>
>>00:00:01.2	3,24	1	5	Rxh2
>>00:00:01.2	3,71	1	8	a2
>>00:00:01.2	3,72	1	21	Nd5
>>00:00:01.3	2,56	2	171	Nd5 Ra8
>>00:00:01.3	3,66	2	644	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7
>>00:00:01.4	3,66	3	1694	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7
>>00:00:01.6	3,66	4	4669	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>00:00:01.7	3,66	5	11164	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>00:00:01.9	3,66	6	27649	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>00:00:02.5	3,66	7	101036	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>00:00:04.3	3,66	8	326846	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>00:00:11.1	3,51	9	1801567	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Ref8+ Ke6 Ra8
>>00:00:51.4	3,66	10	10858785	a2 Rgf8+ Kg7 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Ra8
>>00:02:21.3	3,66	11	31260296	a2 Rgf8+ Kg7 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg7 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>
>
>
>This analysis is very strange. The line is obviously a quick draw by threefold
>repetition. Rebel is usually very good at seeing very long check-check lines and
>should have seen that a2 is an almost immediate draw.
>
>After a2, Chess Tiger sees the draw after a 5 plies search (that is to say
>instantly).
>
>I have not tried with other chess programs but I am pretty sure that they all
>see very quickly that a2 is just a draw...
>
>
>
>    Christophe


Thanks buddy, you just found a terrible bug that sneaked in since Century 4.
Lucky Vincent :)

Ed



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