Author: blass uri
Date: 12:12:20 11/09/98
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On November 09, 1998 at 14:33:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 09, 1998 at 08:59:10, blass uri wrote: > >> >>On November 09, 1998 at 08:43:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On November 08, 1998 at 21:40:03, Howard Exner wrote: >>> >>>>Even in 1988-89 Deep Thought had lots of hardware advantage over its micro >>>>challengers. Here are two games that DT lost. I wonder how that machine then >>>>would do now? >>>> >>>>Who were the programmers of Mephisto and Plymate? >>>>The plymate game looks a bit odd to be a 40/2 encounter. Does anyone have info >>>>on the time control for that game? >>>> >>>>[Event "?"] >>>>[Site "North American Compu"] >>>>[Date "1989.01.01"] >>>>[Round "?"] >>>>[White "COMP Mephisto"] >>>>[Black "COMP Deep Thought"] >>>>[Result "1-0"] >>>>[WhiteElo "?"] >>>>[BlackElo "?"] >>>>[ECO "D25"] >>>> >>>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bg4 5. Bxc4 e6 6. h3 Bh5 7. Nc3 Nbd7 >>>>8. g4 Bg6 9. Nh4 Be4 10. Nxe4 Nxe4 11. Nf3 Nd6 12. Bb3 Qe7 13. Bd2 h5 14. >>>>Rg1 hxg4 15. hxg4 O-O-O 16. Ba5 b6 17. Bb4 a5 18. Bxd6 Qxd6 19. Qc2 Be7 >>>>20. O-O-O Rh3 21. Nd2 c6 22. Rh1 Rdh8 23. Rxh3 Rxh3 24. Ne4 Qc7 25. Kb1 >>>>g5 26. Rc1 Kb7 27. Ba4 Nb8 28. Nd2 Qd7 29. Bb3 Na6 30. Qe4 Nb4 31. a3 Nd5 >>>>32. Qg2 Rh8 33. Ne4 f6 34. Qg3 Rg8 35. Rh1 f5 36. gxf5 exf5 37. Qh3 Rf8 >>>>38. Nd2 Bf6 39. Qh7 Rf7 40. Qh6 Qe6 41. Qg6 Rg7 42. Rh7 Rxh7 43. Qxh7+ >>>>Be7 44. Kc1 Kc7 45. Nf3 Kd8 46. Ne5 g4 47. Qh8+ Kc7 48. Kd2 Kb7 49. Nxc6 >>>>Qxc6 50. Qe5 Nc7 51. Qxe7 Qg2 52. Qh4 f4 53. exf4 Qe4 54. Qxg4 Qxd4+ 55. >>>>Kc1 Qxf2 56. Qf5 Qf3 57. Kc2 Kc6 58. Qe5 Nd5 59. Qe6+ Kc5 60. Bxd5 Qxd5 >>>>61. Qxd5+ Kxd5 62. Kd3 a4 63. Kc3 Kc5 64. f5 1-0 >>>> >>>>[Event "?"] >>>>[Site "9+6 (V.1.1 Mega 2)"] >>>>[Date "1988.01.01"] >>>>[Round "?"] >>>>[White "COMP Deep Thought"] >>>>[Black "COMP Plymate"] >>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>[WhiteElo "?"] >>>>[BlackElo "?"] >>>>[ECO "D52"] >>>> >>>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Nbd7 5. e3 c6 6. Nf3 Qa5 7. Nd2 Bb4 >>>>8. Qc2 O-O 9. Be2 dxc4 10. Bxf6 Nxf6 11. Nxc4 Bxc3+ 12. Kf1 Qd5 13. Qxc3 >>>>b5 14. Ne5 Bb7 15. Qc2 Qe4 16. Bd3 Qd5 17. f4 Rfc8 18. Kg1 c5 19. Bxb5 >>>>cxd4 20. Bc4 Rxc4 21. Nxc4 d3 22. Qd2 Qxc4 23. b4 Nd5 24. Rd1 Nxb4 25. >>>>a3 Qe4 26. Rb1 Nc2 27. Rb3 Qxe3+ 28. Qxe3 Nxe3 29. Kf2 Bd5 30. Rxd3 Nc4 >>>>31. Re1 f5 32. Rb3 Kf7 33. Rc1 Ke7 34. Kg3 Kd6 35. h4 e5 36. fxe5+ Nxe5 >>>>37. Re3 Rf8 38. Rf1 Nc4 39. Rd3 Kc5 40. Rb3 a5 41. Kh3 f4 42. Rc3 Kd4 43. >>>>Rc2 Be6+ 44. Kh2 Ne3 45. Rd2+ Kc3 46. Rfd1 Nxd1 47. Rxd1 f3 48. gxf3 Rxf3 >>>>49. Re1 Bd5 50. Re7 Rf7 51. Re2 Kd4 52. Rd2+ Ke4 53. Re2+ Kf3 54. Re5 Rd7 >>>>55. Kh3 g6 56. a4 Be4 57. Kh2 Rd2+ 58. Kg1 Rg2+ 59. Kf1 Ra2 60. Kg1 Kf4 >>>>61. Rxe4+ Kxe4 0-1 >>> >>> >>>Game 2 never happened. Don't know where it came from, or who posted it where >>>it was found, but that game was never played, at least at any ACM or WCCC >>>event. The Mephisto game was the *only* game at an ACM or WCCC event that was >>>lost by DT to a micro-based program. Deep Blue "prototype" also lost a game >>>to Fritz in Hong Kong. >>> >>>But remember that during the period 1989-1994, when they played, they played >>>at least 5 games every year an sometimes 10 (when ACM and WCCC were both held >>>in the same year.) They lost two out of (lower bound) 50 games. You tell >>>me what the Elo system would say there? nearly +500 rating points? >> >>I cannot tell from this information because I do not know how many games they >>drew(I know only that Deep Blue did a draw against wchess but i do not know >>about the results of most of the games) >> >>Uri > >They lost to two micros total during 1988-1995 at computer chess events. One >to Mephisto, one to Fritz in Hong Kong. They may have drawn another 2-3, out >of maybe 70 games total... that is frightening... we can compare top programs to deep thought and deep blue of hong kong if we give them to play against the same computer opponents that we can get and compare the results. I believe they will do similiar results Uri
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