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Subject: Re: A position to analyze...

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 13:44:03 10/20/03

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On October 20, 2003 at 14:04:47, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On October 20, 2003 at 03:54:42, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On October 19, 2003 at 18:27:35, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On October 19, 2003 at 16:40:19, Eelco de Groot wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 19, 2003 at 15:27:49, Ernst Walet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 19, 2003 at 15:15:37, Theo van der Storm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dutch games link(nt) http://www.computerschaak.nl/pgn_base/docc03.pgn
>>>>>
>>>>>As far as I recall, in the game Diep-Rebel, the last move in the PGN was not
>>>>>played.  Rebel played a2, completely missing the obvious, and Jeroen offered
>>>>>draw right away.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ernst.
>>>>[Event "23rd DOCC"]
>>>>[Site "Leiden NED"]
>>>>[Date "19/10/2003"]
>>>>[Round "06"]
>>>>[White "Rebel"]
>>>>[Black "Diep"]
>>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>>
>>>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 dxc4 4. d5 Ne5 5. Qd4 Ng6 6. e4 e5 7. Qxc4 Bd6 8. Qa4+
>>>>Bd7 9. Bb5
>>>>Nf6 10. Nf3 O-O 11. Bxd7 Qxd7 12. Qxd7 Nxd7 13. Be3 Nf4 14. Bxf4 exf4 15. Nd4
>>>>Be5 16. O-O-O
>>>>Rae8 17. Rhe1 a6 18. Kc2 g6 19. Nce2 Re7 20. f3 Rfe8 21. Rg1 Bd6 22. Rgf1 h5 23.
>>>>Nc1 f5
>>>>24. exf5 Nb6 25. Ne6 gxf5 26. Kb1 Nc4 27. Rh1 Ne3 28. Rd2 c6 29. Nd3 Nxd5 30.
>>>>Nec5 b6
>>>>31. Na4 Re2 32. Kc1 Kh7 33. Rhd1 R2e6 34. Kb1 Bf8 35. Rg1 Bg7 36. Rgd1 a5 37.
>>>>Kc1 Bd4
>>>>38. Kb1 c5 39. Nc1 Ne3 40. Rh1 b5 41. Nc3 Nc4 42. Rc2 Bxc3 43. Rxc3 Rg6 44. Rg1
>>>>Nd2+ 45. Kc2
>>>>b4 46. Rd3 Nc4 47. Rd7+ Kh6 48. Kb3 Nb6 49. Rc7 c4+ 50. Kc2 Nd5 51. Rc5 Ne3+ 52.
>>>>Kb1 a4
>>>>53. Ne2 Rxg2 54. Rc6+ Kg5 55. Rh1 h4 56. Nd4 a3 57. bxa3 bxa3 58. Ne6+ Rxe6 59.
>>>>Rxe6
>>>>Nd5 60. Re8 Rb2+ 61. Kc1 Nb4 62. Rg1+ Kf6 63. Rgg8 Nxa2+ 64. Kd1 Nc3+ 65. Ke1 a2
>>>>66. Rgf8+ 1/2-1/2
>>>>
>>>>Ouch! I think that is one for the chesscolumns, Ernst! Tien punten voor de
>>>>blunderubriek! From your story, I take it that Diep played 65...a2?? here
>>>>
>>>>[D]4R1R1/8/5k2/5p2/2p2p1p/p1n2P2/1r5P/4K3 b - - 3 1
>>>>
>>>>Rebel would also have played that...
>>>>
>>>>00:00:01.2	3,24	1	5	Rxh2
>>>>00:00:01.2	3,71	1	8	a2
>>>>00:00:01.2	3,72	1	21	Nd5
>>>>00:00:01.3	2,56	2	171	Nd5 Ra8
>>>>00:00:01.3	3,66	2	644	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7
>>>>00:00:01.4	3,66	3	1694	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7
>>>>00:00:01.6	3,66	4	4669	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>>>00:00:01.7	3,66	5	11164	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>>>00:00:01.9	3,66	6	27649	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>>>00:00:02.5	3,66	7	101036	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>>>00:00:04.3	3,66	8	326846	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>>>00:00:11.1	3,51	9	1801567	a2 Rgf8+ Kg6 Rg8+ Kf7 Ref8+ Ke6 Ra8
>>>>00:00:51.4	3,66	10	10858785	a2 Rgf8+ Kg7 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg6 Ra8
>>>>00:02:21.3	3,66	11	31260296	a2 Rgf8+ Kg7 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+ Kg7 Rg8+ Kf7 Rgf8+
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This analysis is very strange. The line is obviously a quick draw by threefold
>>>repetition. Rebel is usually very good at seeing very long check-check lines and
>>>should have seen that a2 is an almost immediate draw.
>>>
>>>After a2, Chess Tiger sees the draw after a 5 plies search (that is to say
>>>instantly).
>>>
>>>I have not tried with other chess programs but I am pretty sure that they all
>>>see very quickly that a2 is just a draw...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Christophe
>>
>>
>>Thanks buddy, you just found a terrible bug that sneaked in since Century 4.
>>Lucky Vincent :)
>>
>>Ed



>I did not want to mention the word "bug" in my previous message, but that was
>the idea. :)

Your diplomatic skills have always been more than excellent :)


>Now that you have fixed it, I guess Rebel wants to play Rb6 or Rb7?

Unfortunately I haven't traced the bastard yet, it is something deep I am afraid
:(

Ed



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