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Subject: Re: Rebel - IsiChess: Some notes

Author: Alexander Kure

Date: 14:18:05 10/20/03

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On October 20, 2003 at 14:52:09, Uri Blass wrote:

>Maybe it is lost but in order to be convinced about it I need to see some tree
>that convince yace to learn a score of +2.xx for white and I was convinced that
>if it can be done it is a task of many hours.

>
>18...Nd7 is only one option.
>
>If I look at the scores of Fritz with 5 options I find more alternatives for
>black.
>
>You can see that Fritz8 does not see a winning score for other moves after some
>minutes at depth 13 and move 18 is not the only case when white has many
>alternatives.
>
>Rebel - IsiChess MMX
>r1b1kb1r/2q2p1p/p2p1P2/2nP4/1p1N4/5Q2/PPP4P/2KR1BR1 b kq - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Fritz 8:
>
>1. µ (-1.09): 18...Nd7 19.Qh5 Ne5 20.Ne6 Qa5 21.Kb1 Bb7 22.Bg2 Rc8 23.Nxf8
>2. ³ (-0.47): 18...Bb7 19.Qe3+ Kd8 20.Nc6+ Bxc6 21.dxc6 Qb6 22.Bc4 Ra7 23.Bd5
>Nd7 24.Qg5
>3. = (-0.06): 18...Bd7 19.Rg7 Kd8 20.Rxf7 Bh6+ 21.Kb1 Bg4 22.Nc6+ Ke8 23.Rxc7
>4. = (0.22): 18...Bh6+ 19.Kb1 Nd7 20.Qh5 Bf8 21.Ne6 Qa7 22.Ng7+ Kd8 23.Qxf7 Nc5
>5. ² (0.37): 18...Qb6 19.Re1+ Kd8 20.Rg7 Nd7 21.Nc6+ Kc7 22.Rxf7 Bh6+ 23.Kb1 Rf8
>24.Ree7
>
>(Blass, Tel-Aviv 20.10.2003)
>
>
>
>
>>You can check all the lines in the Rebel, Tiger or even Fritz books. It is all
>>there.
>
>The fact that the lines in Fritz book lead to win for white is not something
>convincing without doubt that white wins but only suggest that white probably
>win and it is different.
>
>I guess that you have no time to check that every case that white probably wins
>is a real win and it is better to have more lines in book and not prove that
>every alternative is bad for black when you get the impression that every
>alternative is bad but saying that it is a clear loss instead of saying that it
>is probably losing is wrong.
>
>Uri


Dear Uri,

It is not relevant if you need some or more time to convince yourself if this
line is really lost for black. Nobody cares!
I convinced myself long ago by analysing this line to the bones for more than 15
years!
So I will give you as much time as needed to find out for yourself ;-)
And I will be glad to hear from you that you found a variation where black does
not loose. But as long as you can only show up with "maybe" or "I do not know" I
am not interested. Give me some concrete analysis!

Greetings
Alex



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