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Subject: Re: Rebel - IsiChess: Some notes

Author: Gerd Isenberg

Date: 13:27:19 10/21/03

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On October 21, 2003 at 14:27:29, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On October 21, 2003 at 14:04:28, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>
>>On October 21, 2003 at 13:08:18, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On October 21, 2003 at 04:49:45, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thanks for your effort, Dann
>>>>
>>>>i believe Jeroen and Alex, that 16...b4 is already a loosing one.
>>>>May be Dan Wulff's (Gandalf's Book Author) approach, to throw out all book
>>>>lines, where after a short analyses absulute score is greater some threshold, is
>>>>practical to avoid such book lines at all.
>>>
>>>I remain unconvinced that 16 .. b4 loses.  Now, it might lose.  But I have not
>>>seen ANY convincing evidence that it does.
>>
>>I'm not sure - i still trust Jeroen's and Alex's competence and long year
>>experience. And i don't think that they are playing games with us by having some
>>"secret" refutation parat ;-)
>>
>>Ok, it always happend in the past, that some "dead" lines became playable again.
>>One "hole" in such lines may let programs miss the decisive key move due to some
>>very deep tactis with a rook or more less.
>>
>>Gerd
>
>Don't get me wrong.

No Dann, absolutely not!

>I am not saying that they are mistaken.  Many times in the
>past, I have questioned either human or computer analysis.  Almost always, I am
>proven wrong.

Same for me. So many positions where programs have no clue due to tactial,
dynamical reasons and one should analyse very deep a lot of lines.

>What I am saying is that I have not seen the proof.  On the other
>hand, I have seen plausible alternatives.  Therefore, I continue to have some
>doubts until I have been shown why.
>

I missed the thread before. Curious about a reply of Alex or Jeroen,
i guess they don't disappoint me ;-)


>My own opinion is that there is always *some* doubt until either a checkmate or
>stalemate has been rigorously proven.
>
>However, there are many cases where the doubt is very, very small.




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