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Subject: Re: White mates in 6...

Author: Dieter Buerssner

Date: 12:51:04 10/22/03

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On October 22, 2003 at 15:34:53, Manfred Rosenboom wrote:

>It is very easy for Yace to find one of the solutions. To find all you
>need a mate solver, like Chest.

Manfred, Yace can (in principle) also find all solutions - but one needs some
tricks - or a suitable GUI. You can disable moves (either in console mode of
Yace or with an UCI-GUI, that supports this feature. It is a feature defined in
the UC-protocol. For example under the Shredder Classic GUI, after you have seen
Qd6 and mate in 6, you can disable this move in Analyze mode, by pressing Shift,
and doing the move Qd6 with the mouse. Shredder will then say: "Ignoring
Qh2-d6". In this position, I then see Nf5 as mate in 8. Disabling Nf5
additionally with the same method, it shows Qe5 as mate in 10. After disabling
Qe5, Be5 is shown with mate in 10, too. Then c5, mate in 10, then I lost
patience :-) I did not wait long in either case, so possibly shorter mates would
be found.

This feature can also be useful for analysis of "normal" game positions. In
console mode, it is available after typing "eml 1" (eml = edit move list, one
can type in the move number followed by <Enter> to toggle the state/allowedness
(?) of the moves).

I fear, this method is not yet possible under Arena.

You are of course right, (especially) with longer mates, Yace cannot guarantee
to find the shortest mate. With infinite time, it would, but it is not easy to
know, how much depth would be needed, to guarantee, that there will be no
shorter mate. Of course, a program like Chest is much more suited for this.

Regards,
Dieter



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