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Subject: Re: A small event for Chinito 3.1 (final rounds)

Author: Igor Gorelikov

Date: 06:50:56 10/24/03

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On October 24, 2003 at 09:12:45, Drexel,Michael wrote:

>On October 24, 2003 at 07:58:40, Igor Gorelikov wrote:
>
>>On October 24, 2003 at 07:41:26, Jonas Bylund wrote:
>>
>>>On October 24, 2003 at 07:32:52, Igor Gorelikov wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 06:58:32, Jonas Bylund wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 06:44:22, Igor Gorelikov wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 06:16:59, Jonas Bylund wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 05:47:18, Igor Gorelikov wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I ran two final rounds of the tournament.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Time control: 15'+3"
>>>>>>>>Celeron 1.7GHz 128MB; hash settings is up to 38MB in sum for each engine;
>>>>>>>>resign is set to 6; main 5-men Nalimov's TBs.
>>>>>>>>Galis WBTM 0.5.0 is used to arrange the event.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Tough Guys
>>>>>>>>Celeron 1.7GHz 128MB, 2003.10.23 - 2003.10.24
>>>>>>>>                       Score        1    2    3    4
>>>>>>>>-----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> 1: SOS.3 for Arena   9.0 / 12   XXXX 110= =110 1111
>>>>>>>> 2: Crafty 16.19      7.0 / 12   001= XXXX =101 =11=
>>>>>>>> 3: Ruffian 1.0.1     6.5 / 12   =001 =010 XXXX 111=
>>>>>>>> 4: Chinito 3.1       1.5 / 12   0000 =00= 000= XXXX
>>>>>>>>-----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>24 games: +12 =6 -6
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Here is the link to download all the games:
>>>>>>>>http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/games/S0001r.zip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>>>>Igor Gorelikov
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is obviously something wrong with your setup, try rerunning this
>>>>>>>tournament using Arena.
>>>>>
>>>>>I will, although i can't get Crafty 16.19 up and running in Arena, could you
>>>>>post the crafty.rc that you use with 16.19?
>>>>>
>>>>>I have some engagements this weekend, so i will run the same tournament setup
>>>>>using a different (either crafty or another engine at par) engine ver.
>>>>>
>>>>>>There is obviously something wrong with your words. :-(
>>>>>>You've better try to run a similar event with the same participants instead of
>>>>>>that.
>>>>>
>>>>>I see nothing wrong with my choice of words, i have run several games between
>>>>>El_Chinito 3.1, Ruffian etc and see so far that chinito is at par with Ruffian,
>>>>>who usually beats up on SOS and SOS usually beats up on Crafty :)
>>>>>
>>>>>The point is, Chinito 3.1 only scoring 3 draws in that company is VERY unlikely,
>>>>>when i say i suspect something is wrong with your setup, i don't mean it as
>>>>>something peronal, just we are only humans and make mistakes once in a while and
>>>>>that might be the case here.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Jonas
>>>>
>>>>OK, now I know what you mean. ;-)
>>>>I think any thorough testing needs a variaty of people and hardware.
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>Igor Gorelikov
>>>
>>>I have started my own test with the same setup as you, i just replaced Crafty
>>>16.19 with Yace Paderborn. If needed though, i will run it again with Crafty
>>>16.19 given i can make it run ubder Arena.
>>>
>>>0 of 72 games played
>>>Tournament start: 2003.10.24, 12:44:16
>>>Latest update: 2003.10.24, 12:46:41
>>>Site/ Country: Aarhus, Denmark
>>>Level: Blitz 15/3
>>>Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1210 MHz (1.5 Gb ram)
>>>Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Build 2600
>>>
>>>Participants:
>>>
>>>ElChinito_31
>>>Ruffian 1.0.1
>>>Yace Paderborn
>>>SOS.3 for Arena
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Jonas
>>
>>It will be better to include Crafty 16.19 for proper comparison.
>>
>>IMPO, Yace Paderborn is weaker than Crafty 16.19 (about 100 ELO point) on fast
>>hardware.
>>
>>regards,
>>Igor
>
>Yes certainly, according to your personal opinion Crafty 16.19 is roughly as
>strong as Junior 7 or Hiarcs 8.
>
>I suggest you play tournament time control matches between Crafty 16.19 and
>those engines and watch Crafty 16.19 to score round about 33%.
>
>Those '100 point stronger claims/opinions' seem to accumulate recently.
>Not long ago I read a posting on the occasion of the Ruffian 2.0 announcement
>from Quisinsky (Arena Webmaster):
>
>"(I believe Ruffian is one of TOP 3 chess programs in the World). The Leiden
>version 10.10.03 is more as 100 ELO stronger as Ruffian 1.05".
>
>Michael


Sorry, but I'm testing only free available engines.

My POOR opinion is based on my tests, in particular on the following
ratings which are still far from perfection.

They can be found at my site:
http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/home.php

At time control 80m+3s

Change   Place Program                       Elo    +   -   Games   Score
Av.Op.  Draws
in Places

 0	  4 Ruffian 1.0.1                  : 2733   75 128    48    76.0 %   2532
18.8 %
 0	  5 Crafty 16.19                   : 2673  117 120    30    61.7 %   2590
23.3 %
-3	 20 Yace 0.99.56                   : 2505  132  92    29    53.4 %   2481
37.9 %

At time control 15m+3s

Change   Place Program                       Elo    +   -   Games   Score
Av.Op.  Draws
in Places

-2       5 Yace 0.99.56                   : 2551   58  68   105    61.0 %   2474
  17.1 %
+10      6 Yace Paderborn                 : 2513   87  88    54    58.3 %   2455
  20.4 %

At time control 5m+3s

Change   Place Program                       Elo    +   -   Games   Score
Av.Op.  Draws
in Places

-2	  5 Yace 0.99.56                   : 2541   58  68   105    61.0 %   2463
17.1 %
+4	 16 Yace Paderborn                 : 2460  105  90    45    52.2 %   2444
20.0 %

If you have opposite results, feel free to publish them and dispose my
poor and humble tests.

Best regards,
Igor Gorelikov





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