Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 08:45:37 10/24/03
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On October 24, 2003 at 10:05:39, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 24, 2003 at 09:12:45, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On October 24, 2003 at 07:58:40, Igor Gorelikov wrote: >> >>>On October 24, 2003 at 07:41:26, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>> >>>>On October 24, 2003 at 07:32:52, Igor Gorelikov wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 06:58:32, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 06:44:22, Igor Gorelikov wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 06:16:59, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 05:47:18, Igor Gorelikov wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I ran two final rounds of the tournament. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Time control: 15'+3" >>>>>>>>>Celeron 1.7GHz 128MB; hash settings is up to 38MB in sum for each engine; >>>>>>>>>resign is set to 6; main 5-men Nalimov's TBs. >>>>>>>>>Galis WBTM 0.5.0 is used to arrange the event. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Tough Guys >>>>>>>>>Celeron 1.7GHz 128MB, 2003.10.23 - 2003.10.24 >>>>>>>>> Score 1 2 3 4 >>>>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 1: SOS.3 for Arena 9.0 / 12 XXXX 110= =110 1111 >>>>>>>>> 2: Crafty 16.19 7.0 / 12 001= XXXX =101 =11= >>>>>>>>> 3: Ruffian 1.0.1 6.5 / 12 =001 =010 XXXX 111= >>>>>>>>> 4: Chinito 3.1 1.5 / 12 0000 =00= 000= XXXX >>>>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>24 games: +12 =6 -6 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Here is the link to download all the games: >>>>>>>>>http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/games/S0001r.zip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Best regards, >>>>>>>>>Igor Gorelikov >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>There is obviously something wrong with your setup, try rerunning this >>>>>>>>tournament using Arena. >>>>>> >>>>>>I will, although i can't get Crafty 16.19 up and running in Arena, could you >>>>>>post the crafty.rc that you use with 16.19? >>>>>> >>>>>>I have some engagements this weekend, so i will run the same tournament setup >>>>>>using a different (either crafty or another engine at par) engine ver. >>>>>> >>>>>>>There is obviously something wrong with your words. :-( >>>>>>>You've better try to run a similar event with the same participants instead of >>>>>>>that. >>>>>> >>>>>>I see nothing wrong with my choice of words, i have run several games between >>>>>>El_Chinito 3.1, Ruffian etc and see so far that chinito is at par with Ruffian, >>>>>>who usually beats up on SOS and SOS usually beats up on Crafty :) >>>>>> >>>>>>The point is, Chinito 3.1 only scoring 3 draws in that company is VERY unlikely, >>>>>>when i say i suspect something is wrong with your setup, i don't mean it as >>>>>>something peronal, just we are only humans and make mistakes once in a while and >>>>>>that might be the case here. >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards >>>>>>Jonas >>>>> >>>>>OK, now I know what you mean. ;-) >>>>>I think any thorough testing needs a variaty of people and hardware. >>>>> >>>>>Best regards, >>>>>Igor Gorelikov >>>> >>>>I have started my own test with the same setup as you, i just replaced Crafty >>>>16.19 with Yace Paderborn. If needed though, i will run it again with Crafty >>>>16.19 given i can make it run ubder Arena. >>>> >>>>0 of 72 games played >>>>Tournament start: 2003.10.24, 12:44:16 >>>>Latest update: 2003.10.24, 12:46:41 >>>>Site/ Country: Aarhus, Denmark >>>>Level: Blitz 15/3 >>>>Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1210 MHz (1.5 Gb ram) >>>>Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Build 2600 >>>> >>>>Participants: >>>> >>>>ElChinito_31 >>>>Ruffian 1.0.1 >>>>Yace Paderborn >>>>SOS.3 for Arena >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Jonas >>> >>>It will be better to include Crafty 16.19 for proper comparison. >>> >>>IMPO, Yace Paderborn is weaker than Crafty 16.19 (about 100 ELO point) on fast >>>hardware. >>> >>>regards, >>>Igor >> >>Yes certainly, according to your personal opinion Crafty 16.19 is roughly as >>strong as Junior 7 or Hiarcs 8. > >Junior7 and Hiarc8 are not in his list. >I do not see how can you claim something about them. >Maybe he can find that they are 200 elo better than Yace He wrote that Yace Paderborn is in his opinion about 100 ELO weaker than Crafty 16.19. He did not refer to the list. In case you missed it, Yace Paderborn is not in the list. I can claim that Junior 7 and Hiarcs 8 are not more than 100 ELO stronger than Yace Paderborn because we have the results of SSDF: 16 Junior 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2699 25 -25 801 54% 2670 17 Hiarcs 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2684 22 -22 996 53% 2663 35 Yace Paderborn 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2606 35 -35 389 48% 2619 This is not a proof of course. It just supports my opinion. All members have always the right to disagree if someone posts his opinions about something here. That's what I did. Michael > > >Based on his list Yace0.99.56 (rating of 2562) is also about 300 elo better >than Arasan6.3(rating of 2240) >when it is weaker than Terra2.9(rating of 2575) and GreenLightchess2.18(rating >2579) > >Note also that Greenlightchess2.18(rating of 2579) is about 100 elo better than >GreenLightChess3.00(rating 2463) > >see http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/ratings/NIL2_final.txt > > > >> >>I suggest you play tournament time control matches between Crafty 16.19 and >>those engines and watch Crafty 16.19 to score round about 33%. > >I think that you take this 100 elo too seriously and it can be everything >between -100 and +300. > >He only said about 100 elo and I guess that there may be a small error of not >more than 200 elo. > >Uri
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