Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 15:01:53 10/24/03
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On October 24, 2003 at 09:50:56, Igor Gorelikov wrote: >On October 24, 2003 at 09:12:45, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On October 24, 2003 at 07:58:40, Igor Gorelikov wrote: >> >>>On October 24, 2003 at 07:41:26, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>> >>>>On October 24, 2003 at 07:32:52, Igor Gorelikov wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 06:58:32, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 06:44:22, Igor Gorelikov wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 06:16:59, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 24, 2003 at 05:47:18, Igor Gorelikov wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I ran two final rounds of the tournament. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Time control: 15'+3" >>>>>>>>>Celeron 1.7GHz 128MB; hash settings is up to 38MB in sum for each engine; >>>>>>>>>resign is set to 6; main 5-men Nalimov's TBs. >>>>>>>>>Galis WBTM 0.5.0 is used to arrange the event. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Tough Guys >>>>>>>>>Celeron 1.7GHz 128MB, 2003.10.23 - 2003.10.24 >>>>>>>>> Score 1 2 3 4 >>>>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> 1: SOS.3 for Arena 9.0 / 12 XXXX 110= =110 1111 >>>>>>>>> 2: Crafty 16.19 7.0 / 12 001= XXXX =101 =11= >>>>>>>>> 3: Ruffian 1.0.1 6.5 / 12 =001 =010 XXXX 111= >>>>>>>>> 4: Chinito 3.1 1.5 / 12 0000 =00= 000= XXXX >>>>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>24 games: +12 =6 -6 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Here is the link to download all the games: >>>>>>>>>http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/games/S0001r.zip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Best regards, >>>>>>>>>Igor Gorelikov >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>There is obviously something wrong with your setup, try rerunning this >>>>>>>>tournament using Arena. >>>>>> >>>>>>I will, although i can't get Crafty 16.19 up and running in Arena, could you >>>>>>post the crafty.rc that you use with 16.19? >>>>>> >>>>>>I have some engagements this weekend, so i will run the same tournament setup >>>>>>using a different (either crafty or another engine at par) engine ver. >>>>>> >>>>>>>There is obviously something wrong with your words. :-( >>>>>>>You've better try to run a similar event with the same participants instead of >>>>>>>that. >>>>>> >>>>>>I see nothing wrong with my choice of words, i have run several games between >>>>>>El_Chinito 3.1, Ruffian etc and see so far that chinito is at par with Ruffian, >>>>>>who usually beats up on SOS and SOS usually beats up on Crafty :) >>>>>> >>>>>>The point is, Chinito 3.1 only scoring 3 draws in that company is VERY unlikely, >>>>>>when i say i suspect something is wrong with your setup, i don't mean it as >>>>>>something peronal, just we are only humans and make mistakes once in a while and >>>>>>that might be the case here. >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards >>>>>>Jonas >>>>> >>>>>OK, now I know what you mean. ;-) >>>>>I think any thorough testing needs a variaty of people and hardware. >>>>> >>>>>Best regards, >>>>>Igor Gorelikov >>>> >>>>I have started my own test with the same setup as you, i just replaced Crafty >>>>16.19 with Yace Paderborn. If needed though, i will run it again with Crafty >>>>16.19 given i can make it run ubder Arena. >>>> >>>>0 of 72 games played >>>>Tournament start: 2003.10.24, 12:44:16 >>>>Latest update: 2003.10.24, 12:46:41 >>>>Site/ Country: Aarhus, Denmark >>>>Level: Blitz 15/3 >>>>Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1210 MHz (1.5 Gb ram) >>>>Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Build 2600 >>>> >>>>Participants: >>>> >>>>ElChinito_31 >>>>Ruffian 1.0.1 >>>>Yace Paderborn >>>>SOS.3 for Arena >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Jonas >>> >>>It will be better to include Crafty 16.19 for proper comparison. >>> >>>IMPO, Yace Paderborn is weaker than Crafty 16.19 (about 100 ELO point) on fast >>>hardware. >>> >>>regards, >>>Igor >> >>Yes certainly, according to your personal opinion Crafty 16.19 is roughly as >>strong as Junior 7 or Hiarcs 8. >> >>I suggest you play tournament time control matches between Crafty 16.19 and >>those engines and watch Crafty 16.19 to score round about 33%. >> >>Those '100 point stronger claims/opinions' seem to accumulate recently. >>Not long ago I read a posting on the occasion of the Ruffian 2.0 announcement >>from Quisinsky (Arena Webmaster): >> >>"(I believe Ruffian is one of TOP 3 chess programs in the World). The Leiden >>version 10.10.03 is more as 100 ELO stronger as Ruffian 1.05". >> >>Michael > > >Sorry, but I'm testing only free available engines. > >My POOR opinion is based on my tests, in particular on the following >ratings which are still far from perfection. You might take also results from other testers into consideration. > >They can be found at my site: >http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/home.php > >At time control 80m+3s > >Change Place Program Elo + - Games Score >Av.Op. Draws >in Places > > 0 4 Ruffian 1.0.1 : 2733 75 128 48 76.0 % 2532 >18.8 % > 0 5 Crafty 16.19 : 2673 117 120 30 61.7 % 2590 >23.3 % >-3 20 Yace 0.99.56 : 2505 132 92 29 53.4 % 2481 >37.9 % > >At time control 15m+3s > >Change Place Program Elo + - Games Score >Av.Op. Draws >in Places > >-2 5 Yace 0.99.56 : 2551 58 68 105 61.0 % 2474 > 17.1 % >+10 6 Yace Paderborn : 2513 87 88 54 58.3 % 2455 > 20.4 % > >At time control 5m+3s > >Change Place Program Elo + - Games Score >Av.Op. Draws >in Places > >-2 5 Yace 0.99.56 : 2541 58 68 105 61.0 % 2463 >17.1 % >+4 16 Yace Paderborn : 2460 105 90 45 52.2 % 2444 >20.0 % > >If you have opposite results, feel free to publish them and dispose my >poor and humble tests. I certainly didn't wrote that your tests are poor and humble. Yace 0.99.56 is probably stronger than Yace Paderborn at short time controls. See also here: http://www.computerschach.de/rangliste/rangliste.htm and here: http://www.computerschach.de/rangliste/Ranglisten%202002.htm At longer time controls it could be vice versa. Michael > >Best regards, >Igor Gorelikov
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