Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:42:18 10/25/03
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On October 25, 2003 at 10:14:23, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >On October 25, 2003 at 08:46:28, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On October 24, 2003 at 18:16:14, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >> >>>On October 24, 2003 at 11:47:56, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The Leiden Ruffian version is 10.10.03 and he posted this about 10 days later. >>>>So unless he has a ballpark full of machines, it is not possible that he has >>>>played a significant number of tournament games. >>>>Probably he has tested Ruffian at blitz or active chess time controls. >>>> >>>>In chess if you talk about ELO, you usually talk about tournament time control. >>>>If not you have to state that explicitly. >>>> >>>>Michael >>> >>>Hi Michael, >>> >>>Frank Quisinsky definitely talks about the previous version of Ruffian, the one >>>prior to the Ruffian 10-10 version (Leiden) (his term is "vorherige Version"). >>>That particular engine came out in June (June 26) and he's had a lot of time to >>>play games at longer time controls. Besides, Frank owns a dual Pentium III and >>>a P4 notebook computer. He may well have played lots and lots of games at >>>40/40... Which he did, as I happen to know it. I also believe that he posted >>>the results of the June version of Ruffian on the Arena pages (please refer to >>>http://www.playwitharena.com/directory/elo.htm). Most of the longer time >>>control games were played at 40/40. >>> >>>Rgds. >>> >>>Djordje >> >>40/40 with ponder off is not exactly tournament time control with ponder on. >>Don't get me wrong. I hope that Ruffian 2 will be as strong as possible. >> >>What happens if it turns out after some months that new Ruffian is 'only' about >>as strong as Fritz 8 is? >>In this case many users who read such claims will be quite disappointed. >>That is not desirable. >> >>Michael > > >I am not getting anything wrong here, I hope :-). As I happen to know that >Frank Q. uses his "old" PIII dual, that means that the matches are with >pondering on. But, you are right about 40/40 not being equal to tournament >rules. However, tournament time controls are rapidly decreasing (for better or >worse...), and you can see that the oldest computer chess tourney, the Dutch >open, is played at the G/90 level... Yes but the hardware is clearly faster than the ssdf hardware or Frank's hardware. > >It might well turn out that the new Ruffian is not stronger than Fritz 8. But >that would be just great I think. Because Fritz 8 is a mighty chess engine, >don't you think? > >Djordje I am more interested to know how the new ruffian does in comparison to Ruffian1.0.1 Here are Ruffian1.0.1 in the nunn2 tournament If sombody can add Ruffian2 and some commercial programs to that tournament It may be interesting and it may be also interesting to repeat the same tournament at longer time control. I use chess program mainly for analysis and I do not care much about better learning or better opening book. It may be productive also to use different positions to prevent the claim that programs are tuned for specific match. Uri
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