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Subject: Re: Chess Tiger - Nullmover: Some notes

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:43:01 10/26/03

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On October 26, 2003 at 09:17:32, Peter Berger wrote:

>On October 26, 2003 at 07:06:31, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On October 26, 2003 at 04:51:47, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On October 26, 2003 at 04:20:36, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 25, 2003 at 18:54:38, Peter Berger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 25, 2003 at 16:26:43, Jeroen Noomen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I believe 20 Kb1! kills this line completely, but I am sure some persons (who do
>>>>>>not know this line, but always tend to disagree :-)) will try to come up with a
>>>>>>defence.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am not sure if chess discussions at CCC make sense - but did you follow the
>>>>>last one that showed that the Tiger and Fritz books have _nothing_ to offer
>>>>>against 16. .. b4 ?! , but only lines that will lead to a forced draw?
>>>>>
>>>>>In case the answer is no , it will at least save some time for users who engage
>>>>>in these discussions in the future.
>>>>
>>>>We (at least I) do not engage in these dicussions to help them to improve their
>>>>books.
>>>>Of course he has cooked up something against 16...b4 that might be at least
>>>>deadly for programs, but he won't tell you.
>>>
>>>Maybe yes and maybe no and it is possible that he prefered not to change the
>>>book in the last moment gambling that the opponent will not try to go to that
>>>line.
>>>
>>>What I do not like is claims that one side is winning when you cannot be sure
>>>about it.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>It's starting to seem that you're the only person who isn't sure about it. :-)
>>
>>Dave
>
>Thanks for clarifying my point, which allows me to also answer Michael :).
>
>Uri and mainly Michael Drexel have shown that contrary to the loud and
>self-confident statements of Jeroen Noomen and Axel Kure the lines in the
>commercial Tiger and Fritz books, that supposedly lead to a clear win against
>..b4, that everyone with a minimum of intelligence can grasp, lead to an equal
>position instead, that would most probably have allowed Isi to get an easy draw
>against Rebel.

I can add also Dann Corbit who posted all the games in that lines.

I was too lazy to search for games with b4(something that I could probably do by
searching games in the relevant opening in Dann's site and using Fritz to search
for games when b4 was played) but after Dann posted the games I decided to look
at them and found line with no losses for black that was played in
correspondence games so it was the first line that I suggested to check.

Uri



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