Author: Chessfun
Date: 09:25:05 10/27/03
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On October 27, 2003 at 11:41:42, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >On October 27, 2003 at 10:57:34, Uri Blass wrote: > >>>>[Event "23rd DOCC"] >>>>[Site "Leiden NED"] >>>>[Date "2003.10.26"] >>>>[Round "10"] >>>>White: NOOMEN BOOK (sjeng) >>>>[Black "Ant"] >>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"] >>>> >>>>1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5 c6 6.e3 Bf5 7.Qf3 Bg6 >>>>8.Bxf6 Qxf6 9.Qxf6 gxf6 10.Nf3 Bb4 11.Rd1 Nd7 12.a3 Bxc3+ 13.bxc3 Bh5 >>>>14.Rb1 Bxf3 15.gxf3 b5 16.Bd3 Ke7 17.Rg1 Ke6 18.Rg3 h6 19.e4 a6 20.Kd2 Nb6 >>>>21.Re1 Kd6 22.Rg7 Ra7 23.Rg4 h5 24.Rf4 Nd7 25.Rg1 Rh6 26.Rg3 Nb6 27.Rg8 Ra8 >>>>28.Rxa8 Nxa8 29.Ke3 Nc7 30.Bc2 Ne6 31.Rh4 Rh8 32.Bd1 Ng7 33.Bb3 a5 >>>>34.Bc2 Rh6 35.Rh3 h4 36.Bd3 Rh5 37.Be2 Rh8 38.Bd1 a4 39.Be2 f5 >>>>40.e5+ Ke7 41.f4 Ne8 42.Kd2 Nc7 43.Kd3 Ne6 44.Rf3 Rg8 45.Kc2 Rg2 46.h3 Nf8 >>>>47.Bf1 Rg1 48.Bd3 Ke6 49.Kb2 Ng6 50.Bc2 Re1 51.Bb1 Re2+ 52.Bc2 f6 >>>>53.Kb1 Re1+ 54.Kb2 Ne7 55.Bb1 Rf1 56.Bd3 Rh1 57.Re3 Rg1 58.Bb1 Rf1 >>>>59.Rf3 Ng6 60.Bd3 Rd1 61.Kc2 Re1 62.Kb2 Rg1 63.Ka2 Rd1 64.Bc2 Rh1 >>>>65.Kb2 Ne7 66.Ka2 Rg1 67.Re3 Ng6 68.Rf3 Rc1 69.Kb2 Rg1 70.Ka2 Nh8 >>>>71.Bd3 Rd1 72.Bc2 Re1 73.Bd3 Nf7 74.Kb2 Rg1 75.Kc2 Ra1 76.Kb2 Rd1 >>>>77.Kc2 Rh1 78.Kb2 Nh8 79.Bc2 Rh2 80.Kc1 Rg2 81.Kd2 Rg1 82.Bd1 Ng6 >>>>83.Kc2 Re1 84.Re3 Rh1 85.Rf3 c5 86.Kd2 c4 87.exf6 Kxf6 88.Kc2 Nf8 >>>>89.Re3 Ne6 90.Bf3 Rh2 91.Bxd5 Nxf4 92.Bc6 Rxf2+ 93.Kc1 Nd3+ 94.Kd1 b4 >>>>95.cxb4 Ra2 96.b5 Rxa3 97.b6 Nf2+ 98.Ke2 Ra2+ 99.Kf1 Rb2 100.Bxa4 Ne4 >>>>101.Bc6 Ng3+ 102.Ke1 Rxb6 103.Bd5 Rb1+ 104.Kf2 Rf1+ 105.Kg2 Rd1 >>>>106.Bxc4 Rxd4 107.Re6+ Kg5 108.Ba6 Nh5 109.Re3 Rd2+ 110.Kg1 Nf4 111.Bf1 Kf6 >>>>112.Re8 Ng6 113.Rc8 f4 114.Bg2 Rb2 115.Be4 Ne7 116.Rh8 Ke5 117.Ba8 Ng6 >>>>118.Rh5+ Kd4 119.Rh6 Rb6 120.Kf2 Rf6 121.Bf3 Re6 122.Bd1 Ke5 >>>>123.Bc2 Ne7 124.Rh5+ Kd6 125.Rxh4 Ke5 126.Kf3 Rc6 127.Rh5+ Kd4 128.Be4 Re6 >>>>129.Ra5 Rh6 130.Kxf4 Rxh3 1/2-1/2 > > >>I see your point about Ant but 1/2 point is not enough for championship and d4 >>should be enough in most cases against weaker engines like Ant. >> >>The main problem is Sjeng's lack of knowledge in that game when it even seems >>that it got a lost position(the rook at h3 could not move). >> >>Uri > > >Uri, > >the game score (Deep Sjeng - Ant) is above, and you have a point here. For >example, after White's 50.Bc2, here's what Ruffian Leiden thinks about the >position: > >Deep Sjeng - Ant >8/5p2/2p1k1n1/1p1pPp2/p2P1P1p/P1P2R1P/1KB2P2/6r1 b - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Ruffian 2003-10-10: > > (-0.61) Depth: 14/23 00:00:01 1393kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Be2 Nc4 54.Bxc4 dxc4 55.Re3 Rf1 56.Rf3 Ra1 >57.Kb2 Rg1 > µ (-0.73) Depth: 15/24 00:00:02 2189kN >50...Ne7 > µ (-1.08) Depth: 16/27 00:00:04 3217kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Be2 Nc4 54.Bxc4 dxc4 55.Re3 Kd5 56.Rf3 Ke4 >57.Re3+ Kxf4 58.e6 fxe6 59.Rxe6 Rg2 60.Rxc6 Rxf2+ > µ (-1.16) Depth: 16/27 00:00:04 3971kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Be2 Nc4 54.Bxc4 dxc4 55.Re3 Kd5 56.Rf3 Ke4 >57.Re3+ Kxf4 58.e6 fxe6 59.Rxe6 Ra1 60.Kb2 > µ (-1.21) Depth: 17/27 00:00:05 5892kN >50...Ne7 > -+ (-1.56) Depth: 18/31 00:00:07 9746kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Be2 Nc4 54.Bxc4 dxc4 55.Re3 Kd5 56.Rf3 Ke4 >57.Re3+ Kxf4 58.e6 fxe6 59.Rxe6 Rg2 60.Rxc6 Rxf2+ 61.Kc1 > -+ (-1.80) Depth: 18/31 00:00:09 13504kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Be2 Nc4 54.Bxc4 dxc4 55.Re3 Kd5 56.Rf3 Ke4 >57.Re3+ Kxf4 58.Re2 Rh1 59.e6 fxe6 60.Rxe6 Rxh3 61.Rxc6 > -+ (-1.85) Depth: 19/36 00:00:17 24310kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Be2 Nc4 54.Bxc4 dxc4 55.Kb2 Kd5 56.Ka2 Rg2 >57.Ka1 Ke4 58.Re3+ Kxf4 59.e6 fxe6 60.Rxe6 Rxf2 61.Rxc6 > -+ (-2.10) Depth: 20/36 00:00:32 45504kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Be2 Nc4 54.Bxc4 dxc4 55.Kb2 Kd5 56.Kc2 Ke4 >57.Re3+ Kxf4 58.e6 fxe6 59.Rxe6 Rg2 60.Kd1 Rxf2 61.Rxc6 Rg2 > -+ (-2.19) Depth: 21/39 00:01:00 84219kN > >(Vidanovich, University of Nis 27.10.2003) > >A simple plan to win: exchanging the knight for the black bishop at c4 and >freeing the d5 square for the white king: no way to stop the King from just >picking the pawns one by one... Simple logic (Black is +2.19). > > >PS: Interestingly, Deep Sjeng himself must have been aware that the position >was lost too... Here's howw Deep Sjeng 1.5 estimates the position (does not see >the win as fast as Ruffian, whilst Shredder 7.04 thinks it is just about >drawish!): > >Deep Sjeng - Ant >8/5p2/2p1k1n1/1p1pPp2/p2P1P1p/P1P2R1P/1KB2P2/6r1 b - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Deep Sjeng 1.5: > >50...f6 51.Bd3 Nf8 52.Kc2 Nd7 53.Be2 Rg2 54.Kd2 Nb6 55.Ke3 Nc4+ 56.Bxc4 bxc4 > ³ (-0.43) Depth: 10/22 00:00:00 237kN >50...f6 51.Bd3 Nf8 52.Kc2 Nd7 53.Be2 Ra1 54.Kb2 Re1 55.Re3 Rg1 56.Bf3 > ³ (-0.49) Depth: 11/24 00:00:01 491kN >50...f6 51.Bd3 Nf8 52.Kc2 Nd7 53.Be2 Ra1 54.Kb2 Re1 55.Re3 Rg1 56.Bf3 > ³ (-0.45) Depth: 12/27 00:00:01 757kN >50...f6 51.Bd3 Nf8 52.Kc2 Nd7 53.Be2 Ra1 54.Kb2 Re1 55.Re3 Rg1 56.Bf3 Nb6 > ³ (-0.43) Depth: 13/29 00:00:02 1153kN >50...f6 51.Bd3 Nf8 52.Kc2 Nd7 53.Be2 Nb6 54.Bd3 Nc4 55.Bxc4 bxc4 56.Kd2 Rg2 >57.Ke3 Ke7 > ³ (-0.33) Depth: 14/32 00:00:04 2482kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Be2 Nc4 54.Bxc4 bxc4 55.Re3 Rg2 56.Re2 f6 >57.Kd2 Ke7 > ³ (-0.43) Depth: 14/32 00:00:06 3516kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Be2 Nc4 54.Bxc4 bxc4 55.Re3 Rg2 56.Rf3 f6 >57.Kd2 c5 58.Ke3 > ³ (-0.54) Depth: 15/32 00:00:08 4832kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Re3 Nc4 54.Bxc4 bxc4 55.Rf3 Ra1 56.Kb2 Re1 >57.Re3 Rg1 58.f3 Rg2+ 59.Kc1 > ³ (-0.56) Depth: 16/33 00:00:12 7345kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Kb2 Nc4+ 54.Bxc4 bxc4 55.Kc2 f6 56.Kb2 Rg2 >57.Kc2 c5 58.dxc5 fxe5 59.fxe5 Kxe5 60.Re3+ Kf6 > µ (-0.90) Depth: 17/34 00:00:21 12690kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Kb2 Nc4+ 54.Bxc4 bxc4 55.Kc2 f6 56.Kb2 Rh1 >57.Kc2 Ra1 58.Kb2 Rf1 59.Kc2 c5 60.dxc5 fxe5 61.fxe5 Kxe5 > µ (-0.97) Depth: 18/39 00:00:40 24721kN >50...Ne7 51.Bd3 Nc8 52.Kc2 Nb6 53.Kb2 Nc4+ 54.Bxc4 bxc4 55.Kc2 f6 56.Kb2 Rh1 >57.Kc2 Ra1 58.Kb2 Rf1 59.Kc2 c5 60.dxc5 fxe5 61.fxe5 Kxe5 > µ (-0.97) Depth: 19/40 00:01:12 42736kN > >(Vidanovich, University of Nis 27.10.2003) Correction that appears to be the analysis of Deep Sjeng 1.0 NOT 1.5. Please specify the date of your engine?. Although I am somewhat bothered because when installing DS in CB the name of the engine is read from the exe and the correct name 1.5 appears in your analysis line?. Here is Deep Sjeng 1.5 New game 8/5p2/2p1k1n1/1p1pPp2/p2P1P1p/P1P2R1P/1KB2P2/6r1 b - - 0 1 Analysis by Deep Sjeng 1.5: 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Kd2 Rg2 5.Ke3 Nc4+ 6.Bxc4 bxc4 ³ (-0.34) Depth: 9/22 00:00:01 159kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 f6 5.Kd2 Rg2 6.Ke3 Nc4+ 7.Bxc4 bxc4 ³ (-0.43) Depth: 10/22 00:00:01 221kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 f6 5.Kd2 Rg2 6.Ke3 Nc4+ 7.Bxc4 ³ (-0.43) Depth: 11/23 00:00:01 314kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 Nc4 5.Bxc4 bxc4 6.Kd2 Rg2 7.Ke3 f6 8.Kd2 ³ (-0.53) Depth: 12/26 00:00:01 546kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Re3 Nc4 5.Bxc4 bxc4 6.Re2 Rg2 7.Kd2 f6 8.Ke3 ³ (-0.45) Depth: 13/26 00:00:01 784kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Re3 Nc4 5.Bxc4 bxc4 6.Re2 Rg2 7.Kd2 f6 8.Ke3 Ke7 ³ (-0.35) Depth: 14/30 00:00:03 1644kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 Nc4 5.Bxc4 bxc4 6.Re3 Rg2 7.Rf3 f6 8.Kd2 c5 9.Ke3 ³ (-0.54) Depth: 15/35 00:00:09 5275kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 Re1 5.Re3 Ra1 6.Kb2 Rg1 7.Bd3 Rg2 8.Rf3 f6 9.Kc2 Nc4 10.Bxc4 bxc4 11.Kd2 Ke7 12.Kc2 Kf7 ³ (-0.51) Depth: 16/35 00:00:12 7344kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 f6 5.Re3 Nc4 6.Bxc4 bxc4 7.Rf3 c5 8.dxc5 fxe5 9.fxe5 Kxe5 10.c6 Kd6 ³ (-0.67) Depth: 17/35 00:00:22 12942kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 f6 5.Re3 Nc4 6.Bxc4 bxc4 7.Rf3 Rf1 8.Kb2 c5 9.dxc5 fxe5 10.fxe5 Kxe5 11.Re3+ ³ (-0.66) Depth: 18/40 00:00:39 22104kN (Bird, Barrie 27.10.2003) Also Tiger 15.0 can see with a similar score; New game 8/5p2/2p1k1n1/1p1pPp2/p2P1P1p/P1P2R1P/1KB2P2/6r1 b - - 0 1 Analysis by Chess Tiger 15.0: 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Kb2 Re1 5.Re3 Rh1 6.Kc2 Rh2 7.Rf3 Nc4 8.Bxc4 bxc4 ³ (-0.44) Depth: 14 00:00:01 611kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Kb2 Nc4+ 5.Bxc4 dxc4 6.Re3 Kd5 7.Re2 Rh1 8.Re3 Rh2 9.Rf3 Ke4 µ (-0.90) Depth: 15 00:00:02 1364kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 Nc4 5.Bxc4 dxc4 6.Re3 Rg2 7.Rf3 Kd5 8.Kd2 Ke4 9.Re3+ Kxf4 10.Re2 µ (-1.34) Depth: 16 00:00:03 1962kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 Nc4 5.Bxc4 dxc4 6.Re3 Kd5 7.Rf3 Rf1 8.Kb2 Ke4 9.Re3+ Kxf4 -+ (-1.46) Depth: 17 00:00:07 3528kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 Nc4 5.Bxc4 dxc4 6.Re3 Kd5 7.Kb2 Rf1 8.Re2 Rh1 9.Re3 Rh2 10.Rf3 Ke4 -+ (-1.58) Depth: 18 00:00:15 8545kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 Nc4 5.Bxc4 dxc4 6.Re3 Kd5 7.f3 Ra1 8.Kb2 Rh1 9.Kc2 Rxh3 10.Kd2 Rh2+ -+ (-2.04) Depth: 19 00:00:40 21731kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 Nc4 5.Bxc4 dxc4 6.Re3 Kd5 7.f3 Ra1 8.Kb2 Rh1 9.Kc2 Rxh3 10.Kd2 Rh2+ -+ (-2.04) Depth: 20 00:01:01 33020kN 1...Nf8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Kc2 Nb6 4.Be2 Nc4 5.Bxc4 dxc4 6.Re3 Kd5 7.f3 Ra1 8.Kb2 Rh1 9.Kc2 Rxh3 10.Kd2 Rh2+ -+ (-2.04) Depth: 21 00:01:04 34431kN Sarah.
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