Author: Detlef Pordzik
Date: 10:40:26 11/10/98
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On November 10, 1998 at 04:34:59, Amir Ban wrote: >On November 10, 1998 at 00:14:21, Les Walker wrote: > >>On November 09, 1998 at 23:56:24, Detlef Pordzik wrote: >> >>>On November 09, 1998 at 08:59:19, Micheal Cummings wrote: >>> >>>>Looking at the lastest SSDF rankings I was wondering where CM5500 was, the only >>>>ones they have are CM5000 ranked 26th then CM4000 at 51st. >>>> >>>>Can someone please tell me why even though CM6000 is very new, why there is no >>>>mention to adding it in the December ratings and CM5500 was not tested at all. >>>>and that program has been out for a while. I find the SSDF ratings very >>>>incomplete. and mis-guiding. >>>> >>>>If someone can answer why the most bought chess program versions in the world >>>>are not tested then I would like to know why please. >>> >>>While printing the new SSDF list I recognized something similar and asked Mr. >>>Karlsson in a email concerning this today. >>> >>>I doubt, I'll get an answer. >>>" No autoplayer " is absolutely no reason for my opinion, not to test a brandnew >>>product of this value. >>>As weather de Koning nor Distributor Mindscape have the slightest lobby down >>>there, nobody will have a look at the settings, that make sense. So, if at all, >>>CM will be sent into games with the standard settings - of 1 MB Hash tables - >>>against progs who refuse to start below 48 MB. >>>But, as said, they didn't care the least about this in the CM 5.000 Vs - they >>>didn't even use CM 5.500 - why should they use CM 6.000 at all ? >>> >>>ELVIS >> >> >>In my opinion, if the Chessmasters were included in the list, and everything >>were set fairly, i.e. hardware, software settings, etc., Chessmaster 6000 >>would be number one, with Chessmaster 5555 being 2nd or 3rd on the list. >>It is also my opinion that the Chessmasters are not included for this very >>reason. I believe it is a "smart" business decision. >> > >The above sounds like suspicion of manipulation by someone. Would you at least >spell out who you are suspecting so they have the option to defend ? > >Just my opinion on this post and Detlef's: Apparently neither Mindscape nor >Johan de Koening have any interest in being listed by the SSDF, just as they >don't seem to be interested in attending the ICCA world championships. Otherwise >they would have provided an autoplayer years ago. > >I wonder if the SSDF care to confirm this. > >Amir Tryin' an answer on this, please refer to my answer to comrade Uski, Amir - these are the real facts. As well stated by Thord Romstad - who gave proof herein. Noone can force ( of course not ) to have a prog played maually - but I consider it as a real pity anyway, that the best + most sold chess product w/w is not tested. BTW : how do you think they got results on CM 5.000 anyway ? Concerning your opinion of the suggested interests of Johan or Mindscape, here's mine : because of certain reasons I was in a quite close contact with Novato and Munich. What I met there, were friendly, helpful people - who didn't have that certain grip, what to do and why - with such a product. Their problem anyway - but you should consider the chance, that all of your above mentioned questions just don't become reality because of totally different distributing lines. You yourself, Ed, Marty, Richard - whoever else - got their progs commercialized by high qualified Companies - as far as the product knowledge and it's advertising, ect. handling is concerned. This surelly seems alot different to me in mass market. Not too important, as far as the topic is concerned - but I wanted to have this stated, at least. It won't change a thing, and Mr. Karlsson won't answer me - I'm quite sure 'bout that; the item itself ain't comfortable. For the very reason that them members of this list did - absolutely - nothing different in the past....than testing by hand. And IF Ed's No 10 had NO autoplayer function - they WOULD sit down and play, believe you me ! That's the difference. I suppose no cheating nor cutting by means, as far as this theme is concerned, but I allow myself to express that I really pity the situation; the thing is a high qualified engine - and I know what I'm talking about, I presume. No way starting big claims or lots of rumour - just a sad situation. Regards ELVIS
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