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Subject: Is I.M. Kaufman the Definitive word???

Author: Reynolds Takata

Date: 11:50:07 11/10/98


Is I.M. Kaufman, and the recent CCC poll on Comp strength the definitive word on
whether comps are GM strength?  I was just wondering because it AMAZES me that
after so much debate on the subject that an International Chess Master states in
"Computer Chess Web Reports" that he believes that a program "Mchess 8.1" would
be able to acquire the 3 grandmaster norms in 40/2 tournaments to acquire the GM
title, and that almost no one in the group commented on it.  It's stunning this
silence, especially since most CCC members will probably expect other programs
(i.e. Rebel10, Fritz, Hiarcs etc.) to be stronger than Mchess.  Of course I know
it's not definitive but does this mean that the tide is turning hard against the
ney sayers?  Yes i know you might be able to find some other titled players to
counter, though I don't know if they know as much about comp chess as Kaufman.
Also every time i have asked titled players (5 players) on ICC if Comps could
get the norms at 40/2 they all said yes.  Though some didn't think comps could
stand up to a lot of GM's in a match but they thought a tournament situation was
different.  Though after watching R10 draw anand in a 40/2 game i'm not certain
even of that.

Reynolds Takata
USCF Life Master
Fide Master



"The last time I checked, the indicated adjustment to convert to USCF
ratings was 180, which would give it a predicted USCF rating of 2696. Even a
tiny gain would bring the new version over
2700, the same level as the top four or five American grandmasters. This is at
standard tournament speed (40/2); at fast
chess the programs are stronger still. Although I suspect that the method used
to get the Swedish ratings tends to exaggerate
the ratings of the top programs a bit for several reasons,

I do believe that MChess Pro 8.0 would be able to earn the
Grandmaster title if given a reasonable number of opportunities to play in GM
norm tournaments.


In fact, an earlier version
(5.0) defeated three Grandmasters in a single six round event (Aegon) at
standard time controls. At fast chess, it is a terror;" (Kaufman Nov, 1998)



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