Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:09:51 11/10/98
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On November 10, 1998 at 14:50:07, Reynolds Takata wrote: >Is I.M. Kaufman, and the recent CCC poll on Comp strength the definitive word on >whether comps are GM strength? I was just wondering because it AMAZES me that >after so much debate on the subject that an International Chess Master states in >"Computer Chess Web Reports" that he believes that a program "Mchess 8.1" would >be able to acquire the 3 grandmaster norms in 40/2 tournaments to acquire the GM >title, and that almost no one in the group commented on it. It's stunning this >silence, especially since most CCC members will probably expect other programs >(i.e. Rebel10, Fritz, Hiarcs etc.) to be stronger than Mchess. Of course I know >it's not definitive but does this mean that the tide is turning hard against the >ney sayers? Yes i know you might be able to find some other titled players to >counter, though I don't know if they know as much about comp chess as Kaufman. >Also every time i have asked titled players (5 players) on ICC if Comps could >get the norms at 40/2 they all said yes. Though some didn't think comps could >stand up to a lot of GM's in a match but they thought a tournament situation was >different. Though after watching R10 draw anand in a 40/2 game i'm not certain >even of that. > >Reynolds Takata >USCF Life Master >Fide Master > > I didn't respond because I didn't understand his comment. IE the +190 to convert to USCF ratings. I have *no* clue what that means. It has nothing to do with FIDE to USCF because there is no +190 conversion of any kind to move between those rating systems... SSDF to USCF? How could anyone know that? So I simply ignored that which I didn't (and couldn't) understand. Could Mchess 8.1 earn 3 GM norms? My personal opinion is "no". For several reasons. 1. it isn't clear that FIDE would even allow this at present. 2. I haven't seen it play and wouldn't comment without having done so. Could I be wrong? certainly. Do I think so? No. But it turns out to most likely be a rhetorical question anyway since we won't get a difinitive answer. > >"The last time I checked, the indicated adjustment to convert to USCF >ratings was 180, which would give it a predicted USCF rating of 2696. Even a >tiny gain would bring the new version over >2700, the same level as the top four or five American grandmasters. This is at >standard tournament speed (40/2); at fast >chess the programs are stronger still. Although I suspect that the method used >to get the Swedish ratings tends to exaggerate >the ratings of the top programs a bit for several reasons, > >I do believe that MChess Pro 8.0 would be able to earn the >Grandmaster title if given a reasonable number of opportunities to play in GM >norm tournaments. > > >In fact, an earlier version >(5.0) defeated three Grandmasters in a single six round event (Aegon) at >standard time controls. At fast chess, it is a terror;" (Kaufman Nov, 1998)
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