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Subject: Re: Congrats to Ruffian!

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 08:19:46 10/29/03

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On October 29, 2003 at 10:13:10, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>I didn't bring it up, I just pointed out that there were _plenty_ of examples
>of contrived results to favor a company over a single instance of a chess
>program.

I'm far from convinced there is problem nowadays.
There might be a slight conflict of interest, but if the book guy is pro enough
he should be able to walk the fine line.

>I don't mind sharing ideas, or even making suggestions for the book.  But to
>put someone on creating a book with a significant effort, then letting multiple
>programs use that book, seems unreasonable to me.  As I said, a typical chess
>game lasts 50 moves.  I have played _many_ games where the first 20-25 moves
>come from the book.  That is a _major_ influence on the result, since the book
>supplies 1/2 of the total moves played in the game...
>
>That is _direct_ involvement in the final outcome, providing just as many
>moves as the actual chess engine.  If three programs can share the same
>book, should we not allow the same program to enter three times with three
>different books?  Same thing _exactly_.

Think of the book as being delivered by sub-contract, just like the tyres are in
Formula 1.

You have few manufactores that supplies the whole lot.
Kind of the same senario where a sub contractor can theoreticly have great
incluence on many teams.

The alternative is that everyone starts producing their own set, which is a huge
project in itself and would draw too many resources from the "interesting"
parts.

>I disagree.  When I compete in anything, I want a level playing field.  Whether
>it be chess, checkers, tennis or fishing.
>

Yes so do I, but before we attempt such a thing we must try to define what is
fair and what is not.

>>Why not?
>>I definitely feel cheated, I would like to use the Kure book as well :)
>
>I rest my case.  I would too...
>
>:)
>
>Chessbase distributes a crafty binary for their GUI.  Shouldn't I therefore
>be able to use their book?  :)

I guess if you want to play in their GUI and all, connecting through UCI, walk
around in a big "I love Chessbase T-shirt" etc. Maybe you could?

-S.



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