Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:07:01 10/30/03
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On October 30, 2003 at 06:07:37, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 30, 2003 at 04:12:14, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > >>On October 30, 2003 at 03:41:42, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>I do not understand what all this discussion is about. >>> >>>Can you explain what is the subject that you disagree with Bob. >>>You say nothing against Vincent who attack Jeroen for no reason. >> >>I'm replying to that in another thread. >> >>>Jeroen could prepare some book to avoid draw between Sjeng and Tiger and Rebel. >>>Jeroen did not do it. >>> >>>The company who sells all the 3 programs is the same so it is clear that draw >in these games is the worst result for commercial reasons because it increase >>>the chances of another program to win. >> >>I don't understand, shouldn't other people be happy that we refuse to 'fix' >>the results? > >Of course but Vincent said in > >http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?324307 > >Though i commercially can understand the idea, from sportive viewpoint i find it >very disgusting. > >My point is that if Jeroen can do disgusting things for commercial reasons the >first thing that I expect him to do it is not to do draws between the programs. For the same reason i expect a draw in world champs 2003 between Fritz and Brutus. Imagine the very well sold commercial program at a small PC, whose public statement is that it only learns through search, it plays a 6 times faster opponent who in its evaluation is applying double the knowledge. Normally spoken that is a loss by natural induction with small draw chances. >>If we'd have let Deep Sjeng and Rebel lose against Tiger, Tiger would >>have won. Big 'accomplishment' eh? I'll leave that sort of practises >>to other people, thank you very much. >> >>If you want to throw games because of commercial reasons please go ahead, >>but I'm into this 'sport' because I want to show how good my program is, and >>not how many friends I've got or how big my influence is. >> >>>Instead of saying something positive about Jeroen you choose to get into a >>>discussion against Hyatt when I even do not understand what is the claim that >>>Hyatt said that you disagree with. >> >>Vincent implied that Deep Sjeng gets good scores against Chess Tiger, when it's >>running on a dual. Robert then went on to pretend he knows anything in that >>matter and that 'Fortunately, the so-called "results" are not that repeatable >>when real tournaments get played...', which is pure baloney, because Vincents >>original statement was correct and also because Deep Sjeng has a positive score >>against ChessTiger in tournament play (even if you go back to when I was still >>an amateur). > >I do not think that bob expressed an opinion about the result between Tiger and >Deep sjeng when they use the same book: > >Vincent said in his post: >"especially if you hear leaked out scores of dual >sjeng when playing tiger (when it is equipped with the same book like sjeng)." > >> >>So basically, nothing whatsoever that Robert said had any basis in reality and >>hence I _of course_ strongly disagree with him. >> >>-- >>GCP > >Basically Robert never claimed something that you disagree with it. > >Uri
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