Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 08:04:57 10/30/03
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On October 30, 2003 at 10:30:02, José Carlos wrote: >On October 30, 2003 at 09:57:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On October 30, 2003 at 08:21:14, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On October 30, 2003 at 08:07:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On October 30, 2003 at 06:07:37, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 04:12:14, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 03:41:42, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I do not understand what all this discussion is about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Can you explain what is the subject that you disagree with Bob. >>>>>>>You say nothing against Vincent who attack Jeroen for no reason. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm replying to that in another thread. >>>>>> >>>>>>>Jeroen could prepare some book to avoid draw between Sjeng and Tiger and Rebel. >>>>>>>Jeroen did not do it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The company who sells all the 3 programs is the same so it is clear that draw >in these games is the worst result for commercial reasons because it increase >>>>>>>the chances of another program to win. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't understand, shouldn't other people be happy that we refuse to 'fix' >>>>>>the results? >>>>> >>>>>Of course but Vincent said in >>>>> >>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?324307 >>>>> >>>>>Though i commercially can understand the idea, from sportive viewpoint i find it >>>>>very disgusting. >>>>> >>>>>My point is that if Jeroen can do disgusting things for commercial reasons the >>>>>first thing that I expect him to do it is not to do draws between the programs. >>>> >>>>For the same reason i expect a draw in world champs 2003 between Fritz and >>>>Brutus. >>>> >>>>Imagine the very well sold commercial program at a small PC, whose public >>>>statement is that it only learns through search, it plays a 6 times faster >>>>opponent who in its evaluation is applying double the knowledge. >>>> >>>>Normally spoken that is a loss by natural induction with small draw chances. >>> >>>Not that I suspect that chessbase is going to cheat for commercial reasons but >>>for commercial reasons I see no reason to do a draw. >>>If chessbase want to sell Fritz and agree to cheat for that purpose then a win >>>for Fritz is better than a draw. >> >>I have not accused chessbase nor lokasoft nor schroeder BV from cheating in this >>respect. >> >>These are your words. >> >>There is a large gray area between cheating and not providing the best for a >>certain engine. >> >>In the case of brutus we talk about an austrian program which is better with an >>austrian openingsbook creator. >> >>How can he have peace with Fritz beating Brutus? >> >>The only compromis to keep all sides happy is a draw. >> >>You should take the compromis culture of western-europe into consideration for >>matters like these. > > In that case take Spain out of western-europe, please. Go cheating somewhere >else. > > José C. Do you want to say in your country are no cheaters? I played against some time cheaters from Spain on playchess server many months ago. At least they claimed to be Spaniards. Michael > > >>>If selling Brutus is more important for them then a win for brutus is better for >>>them. >>>Uri
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