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Subject: Re: Help with a Position.

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 20:55:47 11/10/98

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On November 10, 1998 at 23:35:38, Mark Young wrote:

>I was knocking out some positions with Rebel 10, when I tried what I thought
>would be a simple stock sac that Rebel 10 would find easy.
>
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "????.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Fischer"]
>[Black "Larsen"]
>[Result "*"]
>[Annotator "Young,M"]
>[SetUp "1"]
>[FEN "2r3k1/2r1ppb1/3p2p1/pq4Pn/1p1BP3/1B3P2/PPPQ4/1K1R3R w - - 0 1"]
>[PlyCount "0"]
>
>The Key move is RxN !, Rebel instead finds even after 10 min. BxB.
>
>All the programs I tried Junior 5, Fritz 5, Crafty 15.18, ect. ect ,  find RxN!
>in a matter of a few seconds.
>
>My question is
>(a) Is BxB just an alternative winning line in this position that Rebel 10
>prefers?
>
>(b) Is BxB just a misevaluation that all programs do in certain types of
>position?
Crafty likes BxB for 36 seconds, then chooses the rook move and sticks with it.
I would be interested to see the eval from Rebel.  It may have discovered some
interesting line.  Crafty thinks the eval went negative at ply 8 with the bishop
capture.  Rebel 10 has two different modes for positional solving.  Did you try
them both?

Here is a screen dump of Crafty 16.00:

play best book line after search.
EGTB access enabled
using tbpath=e:/crafty/release/tb
5 piece tablebase files found


Crafty v16.0

White(1): setboard 2r3k1/2r1ppb1/3p2p1/pq4Pn/1p1BP3/1B3P2/PPPQ4/1K1R3R w - - 0 1

White(1): go
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 12:00 (12:00)
              depth   time  score   variation (1)
                4->   0.19   0.65   1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Rc1 a4 3. Bd5
                5     0.30   0.55   1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Qe3 a4 3. Rd5 Rc5
                5->   0.53   0.55   1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Qe3 a4 3. Rd5 Rc5
                6     0.89   0.50   1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Qe3 a4 3. Rd5 Rc5 4.
                                    Qd4+ Kg8
                6->   1.45   0.50   1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Qe3 a4 3. Rd5 Rc5 4.
                                    Qd4+ Kg8
                7     2.44   0.20   1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Qd4+ Kg8 3. Rh2 a4
                                    4. Bd5 a3 5. Rdh1 axb2 6. Kxb2
                7->   4.34   0.20   1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Qd4+ Kg8 3. Rh2 a4
                                    4. Bd5 a3 5. Rdh1 axb2 6. Kxb2
                8     6.71  -0.04   1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Qd4+ Kg8 3. Qd5 Qxd5
                                    4. Rxd5 Ra7 5. Rd4 Nf4 6. Rh4 Ne2
                8->  12.46  -0.04   1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Qd4+ Kg8 3. Qd5 Qxd5
                                    4. Rxd5 Ra7 5. Rd4 Nf4 6. Rh4 Ne2
                9    18.32  -0.13   1. Bxg7 Kxg7 2. Qd4+ Kg8 3. Qd5 Qxd5
                                    4. Rxd5 Ra7 5. Rb5 Nf4 6. Bd5 Rac7
                9    36.45  -0.07   1. Rxh5 gxh5 2. g6 Bxd4 3. gxf7+ Kf8
                                    4. Qxd4 Qe5 5. Qe3 a4
                9->  38.25  -0.07   1. Rxh5 gxh5 2. g6 Bxd4 3. gxf7+ Kf8
                                    4. Qxd4 Qe5 5. Qe3 a4
               10     1:04   0.23   1. Rxh5 Bxd4 2. Rhh1 Be5 3. f4 Bg7
                                    4. Qh2 a4 5. Qh7+ Kf8 6. Rd5 Rc5
               10->   1:36   0.23   1. Rxh5 Bxd4 2. Rhh1 Be5 3. f4 Bg7
                                    4. Qh2 a4 5. Qh7+ Kf8 6. Rd5 Rc5
               11     2:18   0.09   1. Rxh5 Bxd4 2. Rh4 Be5 3. f4 Bg7 4.
                                    Rdh1 a4 5. Qh2 Bxb2 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7.
                                    Kxb2
               11->   4:05   0.09   1. Rxh5 Bxd4 2. Rh4 Be5 3. f4 Bg7 4.
                                    Rdh1 a4 5. Qh2 Bxb2 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7.
                                    Kxb2
               12     5:49   0.25   1. Rxh5 Bxd4 2. Rh4 Bg7 3. Rdh1 Qe5
                                    4. Qc1 e6 5. R4h2 Rc5 6. Rg2 <HT>
               12->   9:22   0.25   1. Rxh5 Bxd4 2. Rh4 Bg7 3. Rdh1 Qe5
                                    4. Qc1 e6 5. R4h2 Rc5 6. Rg2 <HT>
               13     9:30   1/45   1. Rxh5



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