Author: Chessfun
Date: 19:27:54 10/30/03
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On October 30, 2003 at 22:21:39, Christophe Theron wrote: >On October 30, 2003 at 17:58:29, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 30, 2003 at 17:10:25, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On October 30, 2003 at 14:32:08, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>I don't understand why ChessMaster is allowed to use a Kure book (general.ctg) >>>>in the SSDF testing. >>>> >>>>Last time this happened (with Gromit) it was specifically said by Alex Kure >>>>that it was _not_ allowed to use the Fritz books to test anything other >>>>than Fritz. So why is ChessMaster using it now? Did Kure give permission >>>>(which I seriously doubt)? >>>> >>>>IMHO using the ChessBase learner for ChessMaster is also very questionable. >>>> >>>>-- >>>>GCP >>> >>> >>> >>>I agree to both of your points. >>> >>>If Kure does not allow one of its books to be used, it is unfair to let CM9000 >>>use it. >>> >>>CM9000 is not a ChessBase product, so it is unfair to allow the engine to use >>>the ChessBase book learning system. >>> >>>Thank you for bringing it to our attention. I'm extremely surprised that the >>>SSDF guys do something that is clearly against the spirit of their list. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>CM9000 is not a chessbase product but I think that the ssdf should be allowed to >>test every combination of engine, book and learning. >> >>After all the interesting question is what is the best thing that people can buy >>and if people can buy chessmaster together with Fritz book and get something >>better than it is important to know it. >> >>SSDF have not enough time to test every combination and this is the reason that >>they should prefer the programmer choice in case that he suggests something(I >>guess that in this case Johan suggested nothing so they are free to test it in >>the way that they want to do it) >> >>I think that book makers should not be allowed to forbid people to test their >>book with another program. >> >>They earn enough from not allowing other people to use their book in world >>championship or from the fact that people know that the ssdf leader used their >>book. >> >>Chessbase also can earn money if people know that the programmer chose to test >>chessmaster under chessbase because it means that people may buy both chessbase >>interface and chessmaster. >> >>Uri > > > >Come on, Uri... > >Maybe you hope that some day the same favor will be allowed for Movei? > >It's ridiculous. The spirit of the SSDF has always been to test the programs >"out of the box", unless the programmer himself suggests a change in the default >setup. > >Here it's not an "out of the box" program that is tested, because it cannot be >tested automatically. > >OK, I can understand that. > >But WHY would this program receive TWO UNFAIR ADVANTAGES? You seem to also have missed that this isn't the default CM9K but a modified settings version SKR. Also there are others programs which have been tested previously by the SSDF using a general.ctg from CB. Those programs tested also were not part of CB's stable. Sarah. >Why would the SSDF give an advantage when the author and the manufacturer of the >program in question have provided no help to solve the issues of the book and >the GUI??? > >If this is allowed now by the SSDF, I guess chess programmers do not have to >write an opening book. Just write an engine and send it to the SSDF, they will >add a GUI, book learning and a very strong opening book. > >In two years from now the Kure book will be standard and all the SSDF games will >end in a draw because all games will be Kure book against Kure book. > >Instead of giving CM9000 TWO unfair advantages it should: >* either not be tested at all >* or be tested without opening (and without book learning of course) > >What's the next step? "Dear SSDF, I have written a chess program that cannot >play the endgame, so please switch to Shredder when you reach the endgame stage. >Thank you." > > > > Christophe
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