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Subject: Re: Usage of general.ctg book+CB learner by ChessMaster in SSDF testing

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 02:45:38 10/31/03

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On October 31, 2003 at 04:27:54, Luis Smith wrote:

>>I have to agree with your criticism. I was delighted to see the SSDF initiative,
>>but this is the wrong way of doing things and it does more harm than good. It's
>>better not to test this wonderful chess program than doing it this way.
>
>I disagree.
>
>What do you mean by "It's better not to test this wonderful chess program than
>doing it this way."?  Do you mean because of the book?  I saw no one crying
>"unfair" when Crafty used general.ctg.  Besides the book must be 2-3 years old
>by now, and I am sure everyone has already optimized against it.  Perhaps Johan
>can grab a few PGN's and let SSDF make it into a book?  Would that satisfy all
>that critics?

The SSDF policy is out-of-the-box testing, everything else is wrong. Own book,
own learner stuff. This only represents the true strength of a program.



>>Suppose CM9000 will top the list in the next edition then I foresee the longest
>>thread in the history of CCC. Suppose it does real bad it will cause a similar
>>stir.

>I disagree here also, when they announced the testing of it there wasn't as much
>of a stir as I thought there would be.  There might be a few "Yays!" or "Johan
>is the greatest programmer ever" but I don't think it will cause much of a
>rutkus.

Well, tell me if you want to put your money on it and how much :)



>>Unfortunately good intentions not always guarantee wise decisions, perhaps we
>>have pressured them too much.


>Perhaps so, at one time I thought SSDF was an organization who only had
>Chessbase products top the list.  Now seeing that they are testing TheKing 3.23
>especially with SKR settings they have shown they have different intentions.

Agreed, that's the good part, it shutdowns the conspiracy theorists.

My best,

Ed



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