Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 02:52:53 10/31/03
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On October 31, 2003 at 04:53:59, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 30, 2003 at 22:21:39, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On October 30, 2003 at 17:58:29, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On October 30, 2003 at 17:10:25, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On October 30, 2003 at 14:32:08, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi, >>>>> >>>>>I don't understand why ChessMaster is allowed to use a Kure book (general.ctg) >>>>>in the SSDF testing. >>>>> >>>>>Last time this happened (with Gromit) it was specifically said by Alex Kure >>>>>that it was _not_ allowed to use the Fritz books to test anything other >>>>>than Fritz. So why is ChessMaster using it now? Did Kure give permission >>>>>(which I seriously doubt)? >>>>> >>>>>IMHO using the ChessBase learner for ChessMaster is also very questionable. >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>GCP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I agree to both of your points. >>>> >>>>If Kure does not allow one of its books to be used, it is unfair to let CM9000 >>>>use it. >>>> >>>>CM9000 is not a ChessBase product, so it is unfair to allow the engine to use >>>>the ChessBase book learning system. >>>> >>>>Thank you for bringing it to our attention. I'm extremely surprised that the >>>>SSDF guys do something that is clearly against the spirit of their list. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Christophe >>> >>>CM9000 is not a chessbase product but I think that the ssdf should be allowed to >>>test every combination of engine, book and learning. >>> >>>After all the interesting question is what is the best thing that people can buy >>>and if people can buy chessmaster together with Fritz book and get something >>>better than it is important to know it. >>> >>>SSDF have not enough time to test every combination and this is the reason that >>>they should prefer the programmer choice in case that he suggests something(I >>>guess that in this case Johan suggested nothing so they are free to test it in >>>the way that they want to do it) >>> >>>I think that book makers should not be allowed to forbid people to test their >>>book with another program. >>> >>>They earn enough from not allowing other people to use their book in world >>>championship or from the fact that people know that the ssdf leader used their >>>book. >>> >>>Chessbase also can earn money if people know that the programmer chose to test >>>chessmaster under chessbase because it means that people may buy both chessbase >>>interface and chessmaster. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >> >>Come on, Uri... >> >>Maybe you hope that some day the same favor will be allowed for Movei? > >I do not think that it is relevant for this discussion. > >> >>It's ridiculous. The spirit of the SSDF has always been to test the programs >>"out of the box", unless the programmer himself suggests a change in the default >>setup. >> >>Here it's not an "out of the box" program that is tested, because it cannot be >>tested automatically. >> >>OK, I can understand that. >> >>But WHY would this program receive TWO UNFAIR ADVANTAGES? > >I do not think that it is unfair. > >> >>Why would the SSDF give an advantage when the author and the manufacturer of the >>program in question have provided no help to solve the issues of the book and >>the GUI??? >The ssdf can test what they want. Of course they can, that's not the point. The point is we all want a sorted list regarding a program's true playing strength in the comp-comp area. In this way we don't get that result. My best, Ed
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