Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 09:13:43 10/31/03
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On October 31, 2003 at 00:44:33, Luis Smith wrote:
>On October 31, 2003 at 00:33:11, Luis Smith wrote:
>
>>On October 30, 2003 at 22:21:39, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On October 30, 2003 at 17:58:29, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 17:10:25, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 14:32:08, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't understand why ChessMaster is allowed to use a Kure book (general.ctg)
>>>>>>in the SSDF testing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Last time this happened (with Gromit) it was specifically said by Alex Kure
>>>>>>that it was _not_ allowed to use the Fritz books to test anything other
>>>>>>than Fritz. So why is ChessMaster using it now? Did Kure give permission
>>>>>>(which I seriously doubt)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>IMHO using the ChessBase learner for ChessMaster is also very questionable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>GCP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree to both of your points.
>>>>>
>>>>>If Kure does not allow one of its books to be used, it is unfair to let CM9000
>>>>>use it.
>>>>>
>>>>>CM9000 is not a ChessBase product, so it is unfair to allow the engine to use
>>>>>the ChessBase book learning system.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you for bringing it to our attention. I'm extremely surprised that the
>>>>>SSDF guys do something that is clearly against the spirit of their list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christophe
>>>>
>>>>CM9000 is not a chessbase product but I think that the ssdf should be allowed to
>>>>test every combination of engine, book and learning.
>>>>
>>>>After all the interesting question is what is the best thing that people can buy
>>>>and if people can buy chessmaster together with Fritz book and get something
>>>>better than it is important to know it.
>>>>
>>>>SSDF have not enough time to test every combination and this is the reason that
>>>>they should prefer the programmer choice in case that he suggests something(I
>>>>guess that in this case Johan suggested nothing so they are free to test it in
>>>>the way that they want to do it)
>>>>
>>>>I think that book makers should not be allowed to forbid people to test their
>>>>book with another program.
>>>>
>>>>They earn enough from not allowing other people to use their book in world
>>>>championship or from the fact that people know that the ssdf leader used their
>>>>book.
>>>>
>>>>Chessbase also can earn money if people know that the programmer chose to test
>>>>chessmaster under chessbase because it means that people may buy both chessbase
>>>>interface and chessmaster.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Come on, Uri...
>>>
>>>Maybe you hope that some day the same favor will be allowed for Movei?
>>>
>>>It's ridiculous. The spirit of the SSDF has always been to test the programs
>>>"out of the box", unless the programmer himself suggests a change in the default
>>>setup.
>>>
>>>Here it's not an "out of the box" program that is tested, because it cannot be
>>>tested automatically.
>>>
>>>OK, I can understand that.
>>>
>>>But WHY would this program receive TWO UNFAIR ADVANTAGES?
>>>
>>>Why would the SSDF give an advantage when the author and the manufacturer of the
>>>program in question have provided no help to solve the issues of the book and
>>>the GUI???
>>
>>IIRC Two versions of Chesstiger 15 were tested in the SSDF. Would you call that
>>an "unfair" advantage? Doubling the chance to top the list. You weren't
>>calling SSDF on that one
>
>Sorry I've gotta correct myself, only 1 version was tested. I could have
>sworn...
I am a professional chess programmer.
I sell my work.
So by definition I'm dirty.
By definition, all claims I am going to make about the fairness of the SSDF test
is biased.
If I make such claims, by definition it is because I must have some special
interest in them.
By definition my bad faith is obvious and if you search deep enough you will
find that I have myself benefited from the unfair conditions I'm complaining
about.
Because I sell my work. Because I'm bad.
Christophe
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