Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:22:25 10/31/03
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On October 31, 2003 at 16:56:32, Christophe Theron wrote: >On October 31, 2003 at 16:45:09, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 31, 2003 at 15:30:36, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>On October 30, 2003 at 17:58:29, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On October 30, 2003 at 17:10:25, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 14:32:08, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't understand why ChessMaster is allowed to use a Kure book (general.ctg) >>>>>>in the SSDF testing. >>>>>> >>>>>>Last time this happened (with Gromit) it was specifically said by Alex Kure >>>>>>that it was _not_ allowed to use the Fritz books to test anything other >>>>>>than Fritz. So why is ChessMaster using it now? Did Kure give permission >>>>>>(which I seriously doubt)? >>>>>> >>>>>>IMHO using the ChessBase learner for ChessMaster is also very questionable. >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>GCP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I agree to both of your points. >>>>> >>>>>If Kure does not allow one of its books to be used, it is unfair to let CM9000 >>>>>use it. >>>>> >>>>>CM9000 is not a ChessBase product, so it is unfair to allow the engine to use >>>>>the ChessBase book learning system. >>>>> >>>>>Thank you for bringing it to our attention. I'm extremely surprised that the >>>>>SSDF guys do something that is clearly against the spirit of their list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Christophe >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>CM9000 is not a chessbase product but I think that the ssdf should be allowed to >>>>test every combination of engine, book and learning. >>> >>>I totally disagree. First of all they do not buy those programs but they get >>>them for testing and this means that this is done under agreed ways... >> >>I agree that they should not use something they did not buy for testing >>in a way that was not agreed. >> >>> >>>I will not allows anybody to test my book without my approval. >>> >>> >>>> >>>>After all the interesting question is what is the best thing that people can buy >>>>and if people can buy chessmaster together with Fritz book and get something >>>>better than it is important to know it. >>> >>>Well, even if this is true it must be agreed with the owners of the programs >>>which are given to SSSDF for specific testing and not for mixed testing. You >>>should not forget that mixed testing could damage one company sells, so this >>>should be allowed by them. >> >>I understand your opinion but I think that at least people who payed for >>something should be allowed to test it in the way that they like and they only >>need to give correct information. >> >>> >>>> >>>>SSDF have not enough time to test every combination and this is the reason that >>>>they should prefer the programmer choice in case that he suggests something(I >>>>guess that in this case Johan suggested nothing so they are free to test it in >>>>the way that they want to do it) >>> >>>No, see above. >>> >>>> >>>>I think that book makers should not be allowed to forbid people to test their >>>>book with another program. >>> >>>Why shall I? >>> >>>> >>>>They earn enough from not allowing other people to use their book in world >>>>championship or from the fact that people know that the ssdf leader used their >>>>book. >>> >>>How do you know I or other people making openings book get enough money? >> >>I admit that I do not know how much money you and other people who make opening >>book get. >> >>I still think that at least people who pay for programs should be allowed to >>publish results of every combination that they payed for. >> >>Uri > > > >What you do in your basement is your problem. > >What the SSDF tests is another issue! > >Their results get public exposition. It is supposed to reflect the strength the >the individual computer chess products. It has always been the case. > >It is not supposed to reflect the strength of MIXED products. > >Like it or not, the CM9000 result, even if it is clearly mentionned the use of a >different opening book and different book learning system, will remain "the >CM9000 result" in people's mind. > >In the public's mind, there will be a line with "CM9000" on it, and for them >that will reflect the strength of CM9000. > >But it will be misleading. It will reflect the strength of a totally different >product including parts from a competitor company. > > > > Christophe I can agree to ask the ssdf not to have line with the name CM9000 They can have a line with the name generalmaster and it can be explained in some note that generalmaster means the book general.ctg of chessbase and CM9000. Uri
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