Author: Mike S.
Date: 15:47:29 10/31/03
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On October 31, 2003 at 11:53:15, Christophe Theron wrote: >(...) >There's a real world out there, you know. > >If you don't make any effort, you get slaughtered in the real world. Really? So what do the users do in the real world, when they use The King in Fritz? Do you think they don't provide the King engine with a book? They just simply take another book to test and play (often one book for all engines), or starting postions from an opening database for egnine matches. So where's the slaughtering?? When the majority of Chessmaster customers are no specific computerchess fans, they don't have the problem either, because they'll use the CM-GUI anyway (only). No slaughtering either. So, what real world were you thinking of? I don't find a realistic example for a situation where King is slaughtered because of that. As I have said, the SSDF setup for that test is *typical for the King's usage among computer chess fans*. This is the point. They test in a realistic way, because they know how it's used in the real world. That you have actually acknowldged these unfair things, is a pity and certainly nothing to be proud of. Btw. in the recent past, when Tiger was used with time controls with big bonus time, like 10m+10s in the CSS rating list, I often pointed to the fact that this may be unfair for Tiger which - as you wrote here once or twice - can't use the increment time. (Meanwhile it has turned out, that CB-Tiger indeed *does* use some of the increment time it collects, obviously due to the engine adaption to the Fritz GUI, but not as good as other engines.) So, my concern was, that this could be somewhat unfair for Tiger. Recently I have proposed to use a time control like 40/10,40/10 instead, for the next version of the CSS rating list after an upcoming hardware change. These ratings get much attention among german fans. In view of your philosophy you express here, maybe I shouldn't care for that engine specific issue either. Tiger can't do Fischer time controls? Oops, oops, bad luck, so I guess it will get slaughtered in the real world. So you could be the victim yourself, of your much too strict testing philosophy. Did you consider that, too? In the real world, compromises are necessary to achieve the best possible results (like i.e. really good information value of test ratings aimed for practise, and not just artificial testlab figures). Regards, Mike
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