Author: George Tsavdaris
Date: 03:10:00 11/01/03
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On November 01, 2003 at 05:10:01, Johan de Koning wrote: >On October 31, 2003 at 10:53:42, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On October 31, 2003 at 01:53:45, Johan de Koning wrote: >> >>>On October 30, 2003 at 22:12:09, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>It is my understanding that neither Johan nor the ChessMaster manufacturer >>>>(don't even know who it is now, it has changed so many times) have helped the >>>>SSDF to get a decent setup for CM9000. >>> >>>1. Your understanding is irrelevant. >>>2. You fail to define "decent set-up". >>>E.g. Crafty can be tested in a convenient way under CM GUI. >>>Does that qualify as decent? >>> >>>And BTW, it seems that 2003 is a bad year for October in terms of not getting >>>pissed off. But with Graz in the pipeline I fear the worst for Nov and Dec. :-) >>> >>>... Johan >> >> >>OK Johan. Nice to see that you communicate on the subject. > >I'm glad you're using a wide definition of "communication". :-) > >>So, what exactly have you done to help the SSDF in solving the issues in >>question? > >What issues? >CM9000 plays perfectly legal chess. >It even runs almost any WB engine. Unfortunately ChessBase does not run as a >WB engine under CM. So some work-around is called for. I was happy to make >suggestions and debug the set-up. > >>Do you consider as fair the fact that they are using the opening book of a >>competitor? > >It would be unfair if the competitor would actually use that book and win >many games because of it. But I'm not too worried about both. > >>In this case, is the next Chess Tiger allowed to use the same opening book? Or >>to use a mix of all available commercial opening books? > >As long as it is publicly available, yes. >Then the set-up would be known, which is about the only thing that matters >when it comes to testing. > You should have created an opening book exactly the same with general.ctg and remove 1-2 variations. This would not be general.ctg any more, so no one will have the right to complain:) I really don't know why such noise. I thought the goal of SSDF would be to test the strength of the engines. So if TK3.23 is able to play 80 points stronger with general.ctg,we should use it. If TK3.23 is able to play 120 points stronger with another book, we should use it. Everything is the same of course with all other engines. As for the learning, if a programmer wants, he should ask SSDF to test his engine at Chessbase GUI. If GCP do that i wonder what Lokasoft would think:) But it's really a wrong decision from SSDF to say that an engine has to be tested by the set up which comes commercially available. So this is the result.
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