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Subject: Re: Why do some engines suggest Kd8?? Am I missing something? Position-Evans

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 09:01:30 11/01/03

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On November 01, 2003 at 11:18:56, Cliff Sears wrote:

>[d] r3k2r/ppp1bp1p/6q1/4R3/3P2b1/6Pp/PP3P2/RNB1Q1K1 b kq -
>
>Black to move
>
>Position from Chess Life (to Evan's Column) pg 9 november 2003
>
>Why do some engines suggest Kd8??  Am I missing something?  Smarthink out of the
>ones
>I tested is the only one to see Evan's suggested O-O-O
>
>Delfi, Gandalf, and Lambchop suggested Kd8.  A couple of other
>engines suggested O-O


Some results from over here:

New game
r3k2r/ppp1bp1p/6q1/4R3/3P2b1/6Pp/PP3P2/RNB1Q1K1 b kq - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 8:

1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Bc8 3.Nc3 c6 4.Bg5 f6
  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  112kN
1...h2+!
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  145kN
1...h2+ 2.Kg2 h1Q+ 3.Qxh1 Rd8 4.Kg1 Rxd4 5.Rxe7+ Kxe7
  µ  (-0.97)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  184kN
1...h2+--
  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 8/23   00:00:00  399kN
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 0-0-0
  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:00  423kN
1...Kd8!
  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:00  694kN
1...Kd8!
  µ  (-0.87)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:00  845kN
1...Kd8 2.Bf4 Bf6 3.Nc3 c6 4.d5 Bxe5 5.Qxe5
  µ  (-0.90)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:01  933kN
1...Kd8 2.Bf4 Bf6 3.Nc3 c6 4.d5 Rg8 5.Re4 Kc8 6.Re8+
  ³  (-0.65)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:01  1591kN
1...h2+!
  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:01  1669kN
1...h2+!
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:02  1724kN
1...h2+!
  µ  (-1.15)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:02  1962kN
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 0-0-0 3.f3 Be6 4.d5 Bxd5 5.Rxd5 Rxd5 6.Qxe7 Qc2+ 7.Nd2 Rxd2+
8.Bxd2 Qxd2+ 9.Kh3 Qxb2 10.Rd1 Qxa2
  µ  (-1.40)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:02  2203kN
1...0-0-0!
  -+  (-1.43)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:03  2692kN
1...0-0-0!
  -+  (-1.59)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:03  2838kN
1...0-0-0!
  -+  (-1.90)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:03  3497kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Rg5 Rhe8 4.Be3 Qe6 5.Nb5 Qe4 6.Nxa7+
  -+  (-1.97)   Depth: 9/31   00:00:05  4992kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Rg5 Rhe8 4.Qf1 Qe6 5.Nb5 Kb8 6.Nxd6 Rxd6
  -+  (-1.97)   Depth: 10/30   00:00:07  6656kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Kh2 Rxd4 4.Be3 Rdd8 5.Bxa7 f6 6.Re4 Rhe8
  -+  (-1.97)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:12  11857kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Rg5 Rhe8 4.Qf1 Qe6 5.d5 Qd7 6.Qb5 Bf3 7.Qxd7+ Kxd7
  -+  (-1.90)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:26  26620kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Kh2 h5 4.Bf4 h4 5.Rg5 Qc6 6.Qe4 hxg3+ 7.Bxg3 Qxe4 8.Nxe4
Be6
  -+  (-2.03)   Depth: 13/36   00:01:09  71197kN

(Athlon XP @ 2200 MHz, 512MB hash, 3-5 man EGTB's 01.11.2003)


New game
r3k2r/ppp1bp1p/6q1/4R3/3P2b1/6Pp/PP3P2/RNB1Q1K1 b kq - 0 1

Analysis by Rebel 12:

1...0-0 2.Rxe7
  +-  (2.37)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...0-0-0 2.Rxe7 Rxd4
  +-  (1.67)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2
  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...Qd6
  ³  (-0.60)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...Qf6
  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...Be6
  µ  (-1.17)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.Nd2
  µ  (-1.03)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.d5 h2+ 3.Kxh2
  µ  (-1.01)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.d5 Bc5 3.dxe6 Qxg3+
  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Bc8 3.Nd2
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Bc8 3.Bf4 a5
  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Bc8 3.Rd5 Qa6 4.Bf4
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  65kN
1...0-0-0 2.Rxe7 h2+ 3.Kg2 Qh5 4.Nd2 Rxd4
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  107kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 h2+ 3.Kxh2 Bf6 4.Nd5 Bxe5 5.Ne7+ Kb8
  -+  (-1.51)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  449kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Ra5 Bf3 4.Be3 Qc2 5.Bd2
  -+  (-1.43)   Depth: 8   00:00:01  875kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Ra5 Bf3 4.Qf1 Bg2 5.Qc4 a6
  -+  (-1.57)   Depth: 9   00:00:02  2267kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Ra5 Bf3 4.Kh2 a6 5.Be3 Qe6 6.Qf1
  -+  (-1.73)   Depth: 10   00:00:05  5735kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Rg5 Rhe8 4.Qf1 h2+ 5.Kg2 Qe6 6.Kxh2 Qh6+ 7.Kg1 Bf3 8.Rb1
Qh1#
  -+  (-1.93)   Depth: 11   00:00:19  20489kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6
  -+  (-2.20)   Depth: 12   00:01:09  76292kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6
  -+  (-2.20)   Depth: 13   00:01:21  91020kN

(Athlon XP @ 2200 MHz, 400MB hash, 3-5 man EGTB's 01.11.2003)


New game
r3k2r/ppp1bp1p/6q1/4R3/3P2b1/6Pp/PP3P2/RNB1Q1K1 b kq - 0 1

Analysis by Hiarcs 9:

1...Be6
  -+  (-2.97)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...Be6
  -+  (-2.67)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.d5 0-0-0 3.dxe6
  ²  (0.65)   Depth: 2/9   00:00:00
1...Qd6
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 2/9   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 2/9   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4
  -+  (-1.77)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Bc8
  -+  (-1.48)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2
  -+  (-1.51)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 Qf6
  -+  (-1.51)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 Qf6
  µ  (-1.23)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 Qd6 3.Qe4 Bc8
  ³  (-0.43)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Bc8
  µ  (-1.11)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Bc8 3.Bf4
  µ  (-1.11)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Bc8 3.Bf4
  µ  (-1.38)   Depth: 5/13   00:00:00  7kN
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Bc8 3.Bf4 f5 4.Qe3
  -+  (-1.45)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00  17kN
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 Qd6 3.Qe4 Bc8
  -+  (-1.46)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00  20kN
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 0-0-0 3.f3 Be6 4.Be3
  -+  (-1.55)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00  27kN
1...h2+ 2.Kg2 h1B+ 3.Qxh1 Qf6 4.Kg1
  µ  (-1.32)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:00  74kN
1...Kd8 2.Rxe7
  µ  (-1.33)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:00  105kN
1...Kd8 2.Bf4 Bd6 3.Rg5 Qe6 4.Nd2
  -+  (-1.76)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:00  121kN
1...Kd8 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Nb5 Bxe5 4.Qxe5 Qc6
  -+  (-1.98)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:01  259kN
1...Kd8 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Nb5 Bxe5 4.Qxe5 Qc6
  -+  (-1.73)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:03  673kN
1...Kd8 2.Bf4 Qc6 3.Qe4 Qxe4 4.Rxe4
  -+  (-1.57)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:04  898kN
1...Kf8 2.Bf4
  -+  (-1.58)   Depth: 8/29   00:00:06  1524kN
1...Kf8 2.Bf4 Rg8 3.Qe3 Bf6 4.Bh6+ Bg7 5.Bxg7+
  -+  (-1.76)   Depth: 8/29   00:00:07  1823kN
1...Kf8 2.Bf4 Rd8 3.Nc3 Bf3 4.Qe3 Qg4 5.Bh6+
  -+  (-1.75)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:14  3332kN
1...Kf8 2.Qe4 Qxe4 3.Bh6+ Ke8 4.Rxe4 f5 5.Re3 Kf7 6.f3 Bh5 7.Kh2 Rhd8 8.Bf4
  -+  (-1.86)   Depth: 10/33   00:00:41  9963kN
1...h2+ 2.Kg2
  -+  (-1.87)   Depth: 10/36   00:00:59  14417kN
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 0-0-0 3.Nc3 f6 4.Nd5 Bd6 5.Nf4 Qc2 6.Re4 Bb4 7.Qe3
  -+  (-1.98)   Depth: 10/36   00:01:02  15118kN
1...0-0-0 2.Rxe7
  -+  (-1.99)   Depth: 10/36   00:01:22  19892kN
1...0-0-0 2.Rxe7
  -+  (-2.00)   Depth: 10/36   00:01:22  19987kN
1...0-0-0 2.Rxe7 h2+ 3.Kg2 Bf3+ 4.Kxf3 Qc6+ 5.d5 Qxd5+ 6.Re4 Qxe4+ 7.Kxe4 Rhe8+
  -+  (-2.74)   Depth: 10/36   00:01:35  23143kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Kh2 h5 4.Qe4 h4 5.Qxg6 fxg6
  -+  (-2.91)   Depth: 11/36   00:03:09  44395kN

(Athlon XP @ 2200 MHz, 512MB hash, 3-5 man EGTB's 01.11.2003)


New game
r3k2r/ppp1bp1p/6q1/4R3/3P2b1/6Pp/PP3P2/RNB1Q1K1 b kq - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 7.04DP1.2:

1...0-0-0 2.Rxe7 Rxd4
  ²  (0.41)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...0-0-0 2.Rxe7 Rxd4
  +-  (2.41)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1...0-0-0 2.Rxe7 Rxd4
  +-  (2.81)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1...Be6
  µ  (-1.05)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1...Be6
  µ  (-1.05)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.Kf1
  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.Bf4
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.Nc3
  =  (0.17)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kh1 Be6
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kg2 Be6
  =  (-0.08)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 Be6 3.Nc3
  =  (0.12)   Depth: 3/11   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.Qb4 Bxb4
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 3/11   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.d5 h2+ 3.Kh1
  =  (-0.18)   Depth: 3/11   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.d5 h2+ 3.Kh1 a5
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 4/7   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.d5 h2+ 3.Kh1 Bd8 4.dxe6 fxe6
  ²  (0.58)   Depth: 4/9   00:00:00
1...Be6 2.d5 h2+ 3.Kxh2 Bd6 4.dxe6 Bxe5 5.Qxe5 Qxe6 6.Qxh8+ Kd7
  +-  (2.32)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 Qd6 3.Qe2 Bxe2
  +-  (2.31)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 Qd6 3.Qe2 Bxe2
  +-  (1.96)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 Qd6 3.Qe4 Bc8
  ±  (0.91)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
1...h2+ 2.Kxh2 Qd6 3.Qe4 Be6 4.Qxb7
  ±  (0.93)   Depth: 5/14   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Be6 3.Qxh7 Rxh7
  ±  (0.92)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Be6 3.Qh4 Bxh4
  ²  (0.57)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Nc3 Be6 3.d5 Bf6
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Be6 3.Qxb7 0-0 4.Bh6
  ²  (0.48)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Be6 3.Kh1 0-0 4.Qg6+ fxg6
  =  (0.23)   Depth: 7/15   00:00:00  105kN
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Be6 3.Qxb7 0-0 4.Bh6 Rfe8
  =  (0.20)   Depth: 7/16   00:00:00  114kN
1...Qd6 2.Qe4 Be6 3.Qxb7 0-0 4.Qe4 Rab8 5.Nc3 Rfe8
  ²  (0.41)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:00  293kN
1...0-0-0 2.Rxe7 h2+ 3.Kg2 Bf3+ 4.Kxf3 Qc6+ 5.d5 Qxd5+ 6.Kf4 h1Q 7.Qe6+ fxe6
8.Rxc7+ Kxc7
  ²  (0.40)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:01  371kN
1...0-0-0 2.Rxe7 h2+ 3.Kg2 Bf3+ 4.Kxf3 Qc6+ 5.d5 Qxd5+ 6.Ke3 h1Q 7.Kf4 Qxe1
8.Rxc7+ Kxc7
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:01  439kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Re3 Qf5 4.Bd2 Rhg8 5.Kh2
  µ  (-1.40)   Depth: 8/35   00:00:03  1169kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Re3 Qh5 4.Kh2 Rhg8 5.Re7 Bxe7 6.Qe6+ fxe6
  -+  (-1.65)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:04  1607kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Rg5 Bf3 4.Kh2 Bxg3+ 5.fxg3 Rxd4 6.Rxg6
  -+  (-1.65)   Depth: 9/24   00:00:04  1804kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Rg5 Rhe8 4.Qf1 h2+ 5.Kh1 Bf3+ 6.Kxh2 Qc2 7.Rg7
  -+  (-1.79)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:07  2976kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 Bd6 3.Re3 h2+ 4.Kxh2 Qh5+ 5.Kg2 Rhe8 6.Qh1 Rxe3 7.f3 Bxf3+ 8.Kf2
Qxh1
  -+  (-1.83)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:15  5920kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 h2+ 3.Kxh2 Bd6 4.Rb5 Rhe8 5.Qf1 f5 6.Kg1 Qh5 7.Ra5 Kb8 8.Ne4
  -+  (-2.06)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:36  14104kN
1...0-0-0 2.Nc3 h2+ 3.Kxh2 Bd6 4.Nb5 Bxe5 5.Qxe5 Qc2 6.Qf4 Kb8 7.Nxc7 Qxc7
8.Qxg4 Rhg8 9.Qf4
  -+  (-2.26)   Depth: 13/37   00:01:28  33734kN

(Athlon XP @ 2200 MHz, 512MB hash, 3-5 man EGTB's 01.11.2003)


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