Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 08:26:31 11/03/03
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On November 03, 2003 at 10:29:17, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 03, 2003 at 10:20:24, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: > >>On November 03, 2003 at 09:36:57, Tord Romstad wrote: >> >>>On November 03, 2003 at 09:26:22, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>> Recently I came to know that Vincent Diepeveen has been banned from CCC >>>>without explaination. >>>>Especially before , during and after an important event like world champs ! >>>>Is this true ? and if yes , why ? >>> >>>It's sad, but apparently true. I recieved an e-mail from Vincent on Friday, >>>where he explained that he had been banned without even recieving a warning >>>in advance. >>> >>>I hope this is just some kind of misunderstanding or mistake by the moderators, >>>and that Vincent will be back soon. >>> >>>Tord >> >> >> >>If I remember correctly, Vincent called Bob Hyatt "an old idiot". How about >>that. Not that I advocate banning without explanation. On the contrary, I >>insist that the reasons for banning Vincent be made clear to CCC members. >> >>Djordje > > >Vincent has called lots of people lots of things. > >I'm apparently an "old idiot". > >Eugene Nalimov is a "fucking idiot". > >The list goes on. However, had I been a moderator, I wouldn't have >banned him for that reason, since he has little credibility anyway. > >I'd suspect it has more to do with his accusations about cheating >with respect to the Dutch CCC event... Two points: I find it very funny when a "youngster" without any titles in CC calls you an old idiot. Let me clarify this. I for one dont think that this is meant as a true insult. It is also not with self-humor. Because do you really believe that Vincent missed the fact that you were two times Wch and he must struggle to keep his machine going properly while his chess is higher than 2200? I can say "old idiot" and it means something like this: look, I am tired after this shit tournament, I feel empty like a bottle, why do you nag me all the time?? Couldn't you tell me what I could do to become better, you old idiot??!! Bob, I have looked at the nice pics from the Leiden tournament and I saw a very smiling Vincent. He's not the one to spit venomenous insults in your direction. His belly is becoming weay too big. But his smile is outrageously confident. Please do also consider that Vincent did never complain in the name of Diep. He always argued in the name of Sjeng or its author. To me, please correct me if I am completely wrong, your own critic of the practice of a _thrice_ times book author engagement was much more letal than what Vincent wrote. What you wrote could be the end of a long tradition for Jeroen. What Vincent asked is IMO, excuse me, an allowed reflection and stirring up of a debate. But ok, I do not know the complete content of the threads. But the original question was interesting. It was just a question. What would any science do without questions? I think we have much too little questions of interest. NB that Vincent just came out of a deceiving tournament. In the debate about the use of Fritz general.ctg in SSDF I could read that more people than just Vincent are confused by such a practice. You was one of them. Why not letting Vincent ask questions of enormous practical CC interest? A last thought that you might well consider. Vincent is proud of his connection with the late Louwman who was famous for his extreme impolite verbal jabs and uppercuts. Louwman was a Dutch Jew IMO who lost many family members by the Nazis. And he had to live his last years with extreme pain due to illnesses. I do not excuse Vincent, but knowing a particular background can often aat least explain a bit something seemingly outrageous. Please let's not be too rigid in condemning such a motivated guy. Just give him a smiling eye in the memory of Jan Louwman. Thanks. Rolf
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