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Subject: Re: ECM973

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 09:32:57 11/03/03

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On November 03, 2003 at 12:22:20, Tord Romstad wrote:

>[D]2r2bk1/4qp2/3n2p1/2R1p1Np/2p1N3/r6P/1Q3PP1/3R2K1 w - - bm Rxc8; id "ECM.973";
>
>My engine wants to play Rxd6 rather than Rxc8 here, even after several
>minutes of thinking (analysis below).  Only at ply 13 does the best move
>change to Rxc8, but even then the score does not rise much.  As far as I can
>see, Rxd6 should win easily.  Am I (and my engine) missing something, or is
>Rxd6 a second solution?
>
> 1        1.25     0.00        214 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3
> 2        0.84     0.01       1256 Rxd6 Qxd6 Nxd6 Rxc5
> 3        0.84     0.02       2220 Rxd6 Qxd6 Nxd6 Rxc5
> 4        1.09     0.06       6946 Rxd6 Qxd6 Nxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Bxd6
> 5        0.84     0.26      33210 Rxd6 Rxc5 Nf6+ Kg7 Qxa3 Qxd6 Ne8+ Kg8
> 6    >=  0.84     0.43      51999 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7
> 6    >=  0.86     0.44      52606 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7
> 6    >=  0.94     0.44      53431 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7
> 6    >=  1.08     0.44      54490 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7
> 6    <=  1.31     0.59      77704 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 6    <=  1.30     0.59      79014 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 6    <=  1.27     0.59      80763 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 6    <=  1.19     0.61      83540 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 6    >=  1.09     0.61      83738 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 6    >=  1.11     0.61      83948 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 6    <=  1.16     0.61      85437 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 6    <=  1.14     0.61      86237 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 6    <=  1.11     0.62      87236 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 6        1.11     0.62      87236 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 7    >=  1.11     0.71     100871 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+
> 7    <=  1.11     1.09     168762 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+ Kg7
>                                   Nxd7
> 7        1.11     1.09     168762 Qxa3 Nxe4 Nxe4 Rxc5 Rd7 Qxd7 Nf6+ Kg7
>                                   Nxd7
> 8    >=  1.11     1.83     310438 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6
> 8    >=  1.12     1.86     316218 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6
> 8    >=  1.19     1.90     328091 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6
> 8    >=  1.33     1.97     344962 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6
> 8    >=  1.58     2.10     375800 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6
> 8    <=  1.95     2.45     449820 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ngxf7
> 8    <=  1.94     2.45     453058 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ngxf7
> 8    <=  1.91     2.47     457497 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ngxf7
> 8    <=  1.83     2.49     466440 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ngxf7
> 8    <=  1.67     2.52     477561 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ngxf7
> 8    >=  1.59     2.53     479714 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ngxf7
> 8    >=  1.61     2.54     482506 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ngxf7
> 8    <=  1.66     2.55     486303 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Ra5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qc3
> 8    <=  1.64     2.56     489962 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Ra5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qc3
> 8    <=  1.61     2.57     494272 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Ra5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qc3
> 8        1.61     2.57     494272 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Ra5 Nf6+ Kh8 Qc3
> 9    <=  1.59     3.88     796377 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa6 c3
> 9    <=  1.58     3.93     814308 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa6 c3
> 9    >=  1.56     4.31     907464 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa6 c3
> 9    >=  1.58     4.33     913105 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa6 c3
> 9        1.58     4.33     913105 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa6 c3
>10    <=  1.56     7.71    1743388 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2
>10    <=  1.55     7.95    1841969 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2
>10    <=  1.52     8.21    1950516 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2
>10    <=  1.44     9.23    2260120 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2
>10    >=  1.30    10.97    2673547 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>10    >=  1.31    11.06    2702280 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>10    >=  1.38    11.17    2741543 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>10    <=  1.42    11.65    2890794 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>10    <=  1.41    11.88    2979645 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>10    >=  1.39    11.93    2999799 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>10    >=  1.41    11.98    3022637 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>10        1.41    11.98    3022637 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>11    >=  1.41    15.39    3859655 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>11    >=  1.42    16.11    4042385 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>11    >=  1.48    19.26    4798747 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 c3 Ndxf7
>                                   c2 Qc6
>11    <=  1.61    27.46    6817340 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa2 Qxd6 Nxd6 Bxd6 Qa8+
>                                   Kg7 Qd5
>11    <=  1.59    28.05    7010339 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa2 Qxd6 Nxd6 Bxd6 Qa8+
>                                   Kg7 Qd5
>11    <=  1.56    28.71    7240119 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa2 Qxd6 Nxd6 Bxd6 Qa8+
>                                   Kg7 Qd5
>11    >=  1.50    28.89    7297967 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa2 Qxd6 Nxd6 Bxd6 Qa8+
>                                   Kg7 Qd5
>11    >=  1.52    29.18    7378652 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa2 Qxd6 Nxd6 Bxd6 Qa8+
>                                   Kg7 Qd5
>11    <=  1.55    30.11    7661216 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa2 Kg7 Ra6 Kh8 Rf6
>                                   Qe8 Qa5
>11    <=  1.53    30.61    7841242 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa2 Kg7 Ra6 Kh8 Rf6
>                                   Qe8 Qa5
>11    >=  1.53    30.90    7921430 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa2 Kg7 Ra6 Kh8 Rf6
>                                   Qe8 Qa5
>11        1.53    30.90    7921430 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa2 Kg7 Ra6 Kh8 Rf6
>                                   Qe8 Qa5
>12    <=  1.52     1:03   16249108 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rc7 Qa2 Kg7 Ra6 Kh8 Rf6
>                                   Qe8 Qa5
>12    <=  1.50     1:06   17143797 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 e4 Qf4
>                                   c3
>12    >=  1.48     1:14   19086524 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 e4 Qf4
>                                   c3 Ndxe4 f5
>12    <=  1.48     1:15   19621653 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 e4 Qf4
>                                   c3 Ndxe4 f5
>12        1.48     1:15   19621653 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 e4 Qf4
>                                   c3 Ndxe4 f5
>13    <=  1.47     3:02   46606404 Rxd6 Rxc5 Qxa3 Rd5 Qf3 Rxd6 Nxd6 e4 Qf4
>                                   c3 Ndxe4 f5
>13    >=  1.47     3:38   55969782 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Qc2 Nb6 Rxe7 Bxe7 Nf3
>                                   Rb5 Nc3
>13        1.47     3:38   55969782 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Qc2 Nb6 Rxe7 Bxe7 Nf3
>                                   Rb5 Nc3
>14    >=  1.47     4:13   64929235 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6
>14    >=  1.48     4:31   69704473 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6
>14    >=  1.55     4:43   73298282 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6
>14    >=  1.69     5:10   80577840 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6
>14    <=  1.92     7:29  115970639 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6
>14    <=  1.91     7:52  122387558 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6
>14    <=  1.88     8:09  127352184 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6
>14    <=  1.80     8:40  135938189 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6 c3 Rc7
>14    >=  1.70     8:56  140132021 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6 c3 Rc7
>14    >=  1.72     9:05  142626559 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6 c3 Rc7
>14    <=  1.77     9:30  149795113 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6 c3 Rc7
>14    <=  1.75     9:41  153441768 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6 c3 Rc7
>14    >=  1.73     9:49  155627275 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6 c3 Rc7
>14    >=  1.75     9:55  157332168 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6 c3 Rc7
>14        1.75     9:55  157332168 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rd7 Rb3 Rxe7 Rxb2 Nf6+ Kh8 Rxf7
>                                   Bg7 Ne8 Nd6 Nxd6 c3 Rc7
>
>Tord

Hiarcs 9 seems to agree with your engine :

3 best moves after 5 min (barton 2800+) :

1. +- (3.60): 1.Txc8 Cxc8 2.Td7 Tb3 3.Dc1 Cb6 4.Txe7 Fxe7 5.Da1 Td3 6.Dxe5 Cd5
7.Db8+ Rg7 8.Dc8 Td1+ 9.Rh2
2. +- (2.20): 1.Dxa3 Cxe4 2.Cxe4 Txc5 3.Td7 De6 4.Td8 De7 5.Te8 Dxe8 6.Cf6+ Rh8
7.Cxe8 c3 8.Cf6 Rg7 9.Cd7
3. +- (1.41): 1.Txd6 Txc5 2.Dxa3 Tc6 3.Df3 Txd6 4.Cxd6 e4 5.Cgxe4 f5 6.Cxf5 gxf5
7.Dxf5 Rg7 8.Dd5 Df7 9.De5+ Rg6



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