Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 10:07:40 11/03/03
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On November 03, 2003 at 01:20:45, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>I've top-posted this because it's not in reply to any other message in
>particular.
>
>It strikes me as odd that CM9000 gets blame for not being able to auto-play in
>ChessBase's GUI.
What strikes me as odd is that you didn't understand the problem at all.
CM9000 is NOT blamed for it's lack of autoplay compatibility.
I think you need to read again the whole thread...
Christophe
> One could turn this around and point the finger at
>Fritz/Junior/et al because they cannot be autoplayed in CM9000's GUI. Both GUIs
>support an open protocol (in CM9000's case, Winboard, and in ChessBase's case,
>UCI). The problem is that neither of these products are designed in such a way
>that they can play each other. In fact, they may even be designed so that they
>cannot play each other. Issue #1 is that much commercial chess software is not
>interoperable by default. This criticism is not specific to a particular
>vendor.
>
>I understand that CM9000's proprietary protocol is only a slight adjustment from
>the public WinBoard protocol, which at least makes it possible to attempt to use
>it under Fritz/Junior/et al. However, when doing this, its book isn't usable,
>because the book software is built into CM9000's GUI. Similarly other programs
>(e.g. Fritz/Junior/etc.) also bundle opening book (and in some cases book
>learning) into the GUI rather than the engine. Issue #2 is that it is not the
>sole responsibility of the chess engine to determine the moves that are played.
>Again, this criticism is not specific to a particular vendor.
>
>If either of these issues were resolved, it would be possible to conduct
>CM9000-Fritz matches without encountering the difficulties being complained
>about vis-a-vis CM9000 being tested with a book made by a competitor.
>
>Computer vs. computer matches are evidently interesting to many enthusiasts in
>this area. Therefore, I don't think it is too much to ask vendors to make their
>software interoperable. It should be possible to write a third-party
>tournament/match-manager, using a basic interface disclosed by chess software
>manufacturers, that provides the board position to and retrieve played moves
>from commercial chess software, and to use that manager for SSDF testing.
>
>Therefore, I ask you to urge the makers of the chess software products you
>purchase to provide sufficient technical information that this "problem", which
>has appeared in many guises over the years, can be put to rest.
>
>Dave
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